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      01-18-2019, 06:08 PM   #1
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Rip n52 (30k miles same oil)

Hey guys I am making this post to share this with you, my friend has a 2010 528i he bought about 12K miles ago from a small dealer, they told him they had already done an oil change not too long ago so he trusted their word. anyways miles kept passing by I kept telling him to change the oil because 12k miles with the same oil is too much. He calls me today saying that his car stopping working I drive over there I see a prompt on his screen then I unscrew the oil cap and see this.. then he tells me his car said the last oil change was 38k miles ago I did not know what to tell him at that point. He is gonna try to flush the engine but I doubt that will do anything what do you guys think?
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Oh my god.

What we think? Haha he's an idiot.
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Yeah. Number 1 thing you do when you buy a used car. Trust no one.
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Oil changes are much cheaper than engines. Your friend paying a high price for ignorance it’s a shame.
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Yeah. Number 1 thing you do when you buy a used car. Trust no one.
Especially from a non car maker dealer.

Oil change 1st thing ya do.
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I'm not specifically familiar with the 5 series oil notification system, but I am with the N52 in two different BMW chassis. It is not possible for the car to go 38,000 miles without an oil change and not warn the driver that an oil change is overdue. So either the oil/ filter used in the engine was not to BMW spec and failed in 12,000 miles, or the engine was sludged and damaged when he bought it, or your friend is a complete dumb ass and ignored the CBS.
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Is there documentation from the dealer that they did an oil change? If so, he may have a case. If not, well....the car did say it was way overdue, and probably alerted him of this every time he got in the car.
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Is there documentation from the dealer that they did an oil change? If so, he may have a case. If not, well....the car did say it was way overdue, and probably alerted him of this every time he got in the car.
I'd wager to say that the 12k mile interval from when he bought the car would create enough doubt about the way it was maintained to the point where the dealer who sold the car might get away without a penalty.
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Is there documentation from the dealer that they did an oil change? If so, he may have a case. If not, well....the car did say it was way overdue, and probably alerted him of this every time he got in the car.
I think his senor is bad it still says oil is ok
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I'd wager to say that the 12k mile interval from when he bought the car would create enough doubt about the way it was maintained to the point where the dealer who sold the car might get away without a penalty.
These cars are designed around 12-15k oil changes though, so that's not entirely unexpected.

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I think his senor is bad it still says oil is ok
The oil level can say it is okay, but the mileage or date to change it will set an alert. That is, unless the dealer reset the mileage without changing the oil, which would be extremely shady. You can reset the mileage whenever you want. Considering they said they did an oil change when the evidence shows otherwise, I'd be more inclined to think that is the case; however, you did say that the car indicated an oil change interval in excess of 30k.

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For all you guys who complain about oil consumption, here's one benefit of having a car with an electronic oil level sensor and consumes oil. We would never have this problem (I have an oil consumer). The "+1 quart" warning would appear long before the oil change is ever due!

I'm at about 1500 miles per quart right now (hoping it's the PCV plumbing and oil separator causing it). I wonder if I could get away with never changing the oil and just continuously topping off, changing the filter every 10K or so?!?
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These cars are designed around 12-15k oil changes though, so that's not entirely unexpected.



The oil level can say it is okay, but the mileage or date to change it will set an alert. That is, unless the dealer reset the mileage without changing the oil, which would be extremely shady. You can reset the mileage whenever you want. Considering they said they did an oil change when the evidence shows otherwise, I'd be more inclined to think that is the case; however, you did say that the car indicated an oil change interval in excess of 30k.
Yeah, but I think the dealer would argue that 12k miles is enough for another issue to have developed and then blame the owner for not fixing it properly. Seeing as how the car has been led to a sludge issue due to an oversight on oil change maintenance, the judge/jury/etc. might see that as reason enough to believe whatever argument the dealer makes.
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Yeah, but I think the dealer would argue that 12k miles is enough for another issue to have developed and then blame the owner for not fixing it properly. Seeing as how the car has been led to a sludge issue due to an oversight on oil change maintenance, the judge/jury/etc. might see that as reason enough to believe whatever argument the dealer makes.
Yeah, it's a tricky issue indeed. These are those difficult situations that make you question how worth the cost it is to pursue, and if you even have enough documented evidence to prove your case. It makes me envy those people who save every single receipt and ask for everything in writing.
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Yeah, but I think the dealer would argue that 12k miles is enough for another issue to have developed and then blame the owner for not fixing it properly. Seeing as how the car has been led to a sludge issue due to an oversight on oil change maintenance, the judge/jury/etc. might see that as reason enough to believe whatever argument the dealer makes.
Yeah, it's a tricky issue indeed. These are those difficult situations that make you question how worth the cost it is to pursue, and if you even have enough documented evidence to prove your case. It makes me envy those people who save every single receipt and ask for everything in writing.
Being OCD helps with the documentation aspect
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Some, or all, of that sludge could've been there when he bought it. Even if that dealer did, in fact, change the oil, one change wouldn't do anything to get rid of it.
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Do a flush and multiple oil changes, it won’t be perfect but you should be okay.
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Do a flush and multiple oil changes, it won’t be perfect but you should be okay.
Thats what he is gonna try
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I'd wager to say that the 12k mile interval from when he bought the car would create enough doubt about the way it was maintained to the point where the dealer who sold the car might get away without a penalty.
Nah, the N52 can easily handle 12,000 oil changes on LL-01 spec oil and a MANN filter.
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For all you guys who complain about oil consumption, here's one benefit of having a car with an electronic oil level sensor and consumes oil. We would never have this problem (I have an oil consumer). The "+1 quart" warning would appear long before the oil change is ever due!

I'm at about 1500 miles per quart right now (hoping it's the PCV plumbing and oil separator causing it). I wonder if I could get away with never changing the oil and just continuously topping off, changing the filter every 10K or so?!?
How many miles on your engine?
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Especially CarMax.
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