E92 Hi-Fi Head Unit Upgrade Problem

Kirkland Sig · 02-05-2013, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctuna

http://www.caraudiocraze.com/E90-Install-Guide1.0.pdf

Thanks ctuna. Any idea what I can use as the source of accessory power so that the HU turns on when I plug in the key (and shuts off when I pop out the key) instead of having to start the car to have the HU to turn on. The instructions for the Metra harness said to connect that to the the ACC fuse but I am not sure where that is. Also, I read on the forums that all the fuses time out when the car goes into sleep mode. Is there any truth to that? If so, would the slot where the caraudiocraze DIY says to plug in the constant work since all of them will time out eventually?

ctuna · 02-05-2013, 06:15 PM

I would assume it should be the same for any HU
That why I put that DIY up . I know the +12 for the obd connector is un switched and is a direct connection to the battery. You could use that.

Kirkland Sig · 02-05-2013, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctuna

I would assume it should be the same for any HU
That why I put that DIY up . I know the +12 for the obd connector is un switched and is a direct connection to the battery. You could use that.

I'm assuming you're referring to the constant power needed for the HU. I plan on trying to tap into the fuse that's listed on the DIY you put up. I still need the accessory power source that will turn on the HU when I put the key in and pop the key out. Am I correct in thinking that unswitched means constant?

ctuna · 02-05-2013, 06:37 PM

Since this other head unit uses the circuit board for fuses there must
be something somewhere there that is on all the time.
I'm not sure why your harness doesn't just hook up to the same power sources as the old radio.

Kirkland Sig · 02-05-2013, 06:52 PM

I thought I had it hooked up to the constant power wire but I guess I was wrong so I decided to tap into the fuse box.

I originally had the constant power running to that larger gauge Red/green stripe wire but it didn't keep a constant power source. Is the constant power the grey/red stripe wire?

Dannyboy · 02-07-2013, 08:14 AM

I'm not sure if it depends on the year or make of the car, but I connected the constant right through the harness. Pin 15 I think it was off the top of my head.

Acc i tapped into the lighter fuse at the fuse box. I don't have to start the car to get the HU to turn on, but I do have to press the start button once to go into acc mode.

Kirkland Sig · 02-09-2013, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dannyboy

I'm not sure if it depends on the year or make of the car, but I connected the constant right through the harness. Pin 15 I think it was off the top of my head.

Acc i tapped into the lighter fuse at the fuse box. I don't have to start the car to get the HU to turn on, but I do have to press the start button once to go into acc mode.

Thanks Dannyboy. I connected the yellow constant wire from the harness to the yellow wire on the HU and then matched it to the corresponding Pin 15 on the OEM harness and the memory still does not work. I currently have the ACC tapped to the lighter fuse in the fuse box.

Kirkland Sig · 02-09-2013, 12:01 AM

Can somebody please let me know if I wired anything incorrectly?

ctuna · 02-09-2013, 01:37 AM

If you have your phone charger plugged in you will notice this.
Well mine has and led light on it that shows its off when the car is.

http://pinoutsguide.com/CarElectroni...c_pinout.shtml

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=head+unit

steve7909 · 02-09-2013, 05:45 PM

So the sound problems was the amp not turning on? Im putting a avic bh140 in an im having the same problem ... no sound. I relocated the factory unit in trunk an im still having the sos code. I couldn't get the female connector ends so i got the connector box,i can see the light from the MOST cables in the dash, but i didnt think that were for sound.

ctuna · 02-09-2013, 07:37 PM

Did you put a fiber optic extension cable in .
The Sos system is on the most bus . I believe people mentioned
that they needed a fiber optic extension in the head relocation thread
to get the SOS error to go away.

The SOS and bluetooth modules are on the Most Bus ring along
with the L7 amp if you started with and L7 system.

If you started out with an L7 system there is no wiring to the speakers from the Head Unit only a fiber optic cable.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin

steve7909 · 02-10-2013, 12:14 AM

So the fiber optic cable carries the sound signal? I did do the extension. I have the L7 amp did the extension but it seams the female connector ends are discontinued #3 in the diagram part #61136901846 so i used 2 connector housings #4 in diagram.

steve7909 · 02-10-2013, 12:18 AM

I followed that thread to the T double checked everything. If the optic cable carries the sound signal than maybe the connector housings i used is not gonna work, light is traveling thru the system. How can i get the discontinued female connectors?

ctuna · 02-10-2013, 01:20 AM

It can't work your new head unit has no optical out.
The head relocation is only to stop errors and allow BMW to be able to work on it . The L7 amp will only accept optical signals in BMW format.

You have to loose the L7 amp.

There are no low level analog lines to the L7 only an optical line . L7 amp only accepts optical signals.

steve7909 · 02-10-2013, 12:18 PM

You know what ,i think you already tried to tell me that, sorry im thick headed an must have got confused on the diffrent audio systems available. So you know my next question..... if i get a new amp, how do i wire it so i dont get no codes?

steve7909 · 02-10-2013, 12:31 PM

I guess I'll keep reading an have to gut the system, was not prepared financially to do this but I'm all in now. Thanks for your help. Should have listened

ctuna · 02-10-2013, 12:40 PM

1) You want to get rid of the errors . So the descriptions of the way to set
up your OEM head unit that are in the relocate the head unit thread. There is something you need to understand about the MOST BUS ring technicaly that picture of the fiber optic link between the amp and head unit in the L7 diagram is not correct. The Most bus is actually a ring bus with and in and out line at each module(fiberoptic in out). So it will go from the head unit to the amp to the Bluetooth to the SOS and come back to the Head unit. In order for it to work there can be no break in the loop. If there is everything that is on that loop will not function and or produce errors. Now I think people by pass and remove the L7 amp as part of the procedure in the relocation procedure.
There is a second way to get rid of some the errors by programming the modules you don't want out of the cars list of options, but I don't see people use that
a lot on this board.

2) Getting sound to your speakers.
So now you need to get a harness that will route the pre amp signals to the Trunk area in a analog format for and amp or processor. (As I have been told
that cars with the optical connection do not have wires for this) Then you can feed the outputs of your amp/processor through the factory harness for the speakers at the L7 amp location. You should get in touch with Technic for such a harness and the specific information you need .

The kind of systems most build for a L7 system because of the 9 channels it has usually start with and ms-8.

steve7909 · 02-10-2013, 05:51 PM

Thank you for the info, i already talked to technic about the harness an the MOST bypass, have my eye on the MS-8. part the sucks the most is my L7 blew last week an i already bought a replacement cause i thought i needed it to make this work... live an learn. I got confused about the differences between the hifi system an the top hifi L7 system. Thought they were the same.

steve7909 · 02-10-2013, 05:51 PM

Thank you for the info, i already talked to technic about the harness an the MOST bypass, have my eye on the MS-8. part the sucks the most is my L7 blew last week an i already bought a replacement cause i thought i needed it to make this work... live an learn. I got confused about the differences between the hifi system an the top hifi L7 system. Thought they were the same.

sitnlow4life · 02-12-2013, 02:19 PM

How exactly does the MS-8 Power all 11 speakers?
Its technically an 8 channel amp correct?
Also what is recomended to use for input from the Aftermarket Radio to the MS-8?
High Level Speaker Input or Low Level RCAs?

Thanks

ctuna · 02-12-2013, 03:32 PM

Read some of the ms-8 system threads
I think the most common thing is one channel is assigned
to a tweeter mid driver pair.

Do a search for ms-8 and people will generally list there channel assignments.
If you download the ms-8 manual they have a bunch of suggestions also.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=processor

02-05-2013, 06:15 PM	#24
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,102 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	I would assume it should be the same for any HU I would assume it should be the same for any HU That why I put that DIY up . I know the +12 for the obd connector is un switched and is a direct connection to the battery. You could use that.
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02-05-2013, 06:37 PM	#26
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,102 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	Yep unswitched = not turned off= constant Since this other head unit uses the circuit board for fuses there must be something somewhere there that is on all the time. I'm not sure why your harness doesn't just hook up to the same power sources as the old radio.
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02-05-2013, 06:52 PM	#27
Kirkland Sig New Member 3 Rep 19 Posts Drives: 2008 328i Coupe Join Date: May 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	I thought I had it hooked up to the constant power wire but I guess I was wrong so I decided to tap into the fuse box. I originally had the constant power running to that larger gauge Red/green stripe wire but it didn't keep a constant power source. Is the constant power the grey/red stripe wire?
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Dannyboy Lieutenant 37 Rep 401 Posts Drives: 2006 E90 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	I'm not sure if it depends on the year or make of the car, but I connected the constant right through the harness. Pin 15 I think it was off the top of my head. Acc i tapped into the lighter fuse at the fuse box. I don't have to start the car to get the HU to turn on, but I do have to press the start button once to go into acc mode.
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Kirkland Sig New Member 3 Rep 19 Posts Drives: 2008 328i Coupe Join Date: May 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	Can somebody please let me know if I wired anything incorrectly?
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02-09-2013, 01:37 AM	#31
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,102 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	The ligthers turn off when the car does. If you have your phone charger plugged in you will notice this. Well mine has and led light on it that shows its off when the car is. http://pinoutsguide.com/CarElectroni...c_pinout.shtml http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=head+unit Last edited by ctuna; 02-09-2013 at 01:59 AM..
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02-09-2013, 05:45 PM	#32
steve7909 Private 7 Rep 85 Posts Drives: 2007 e92 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	So the sound problems was the amp not turning on? Im putting a avic bh140 in an im having the same problem ... no sound. I relocated the factory unit in trunk an im still having the sos code. I couldn't get the female connector ends so i got the connector box,i can see the light from the MOST cables in the dash, but i didnt think that were for sound.
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02-09-2013, 07:37 PM	#33
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,102 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	Did you put a fiber optic extension cable in . Did you put a fiber optic extension cable in . The Sos system is on the most bus . I believe people mentioned that they needed a fiber optic extension in the head relocation thread to get the SOS error to go away. The SOS and bluetooth modules are on the Most Bus ring along with the L7 amp if you started with and L7 system. If you started out with an L7 system there is no wiring to the speakers from the Head Unit only a fiber optic cable. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin Last edited by ctuna; 02-09-2013 at 07:54 PM..
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02-10-2013, 12:14 AM	#34
steve7909 Private 7 Rep 85 Posts Drives: 2007 e92 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	So the fiber optic cable carries the sound signal? I did do the extension. I have the L7 amp did the extension but it seams the female connector ends are discontinued #3 in the diagram part #61136901846 so i used 2 connector housings #4 in diagram.
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02-10-2013, 12:18 AM	#35
steve7909 Private 7 Rep 85 Posts Drives: 2007 e92 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	I followed that thread to the T double checked everything. If the optic cable carries the sound signal than maybe the connector housings i used is not gonna work, light is traveling thru the system. How can i get the discontinued female connectors?
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02-10-2013, 01:20 AM	#36
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,102 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	It can't work your new head unit has no optical out It can't work your new head unit has no optical out. The head relocation is only to stop errors and allow BMW to be able to work on it . The L7 amp will only accept optical signals in BMW format. You have to loose the L7 amp. There are no low level analog lines to the L7 only an optical line . L7 amp only accepts optical signals. Last edited by ctuna; 02-10-2013 at 01:25 AM..
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02-10-2013, 12:18 PM	#37
steve7909 Private 7 Rep 85 Posts Drives: 2007 e92 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	You know what ,i think you already tried to tell me that, sorry im thick headed an must have got confused on the diffrent audio systems available. So you know my next question..... if i get a new amp, how do i wire it so i dont get no codes?
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02-10-2013, 12:31 PM	#38
steve7909 Private 7 Rep 85 Posts Drives: 2007 e92 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	I guess I'll keep reading an have to gut the system, was not prepared financially to do this but I'm all in now. Thanks for your help. Should have listened
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02-10-2013, 12:40 PM	#39
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,102 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	These are different problems 1) You want to get rid of the errors . So the descriptions of the way to set up your OEM head unit that are in the relocate the head unit thread. There is something you need to understand about the MOST BUS ring technicaly that picture of the fiber optic link between the amp and head unit in the L7 diagram is not correct. The Most bus is actually a ring bus with and in and out line at each module(fiberoptic in out). So it will go from the head unit to the amp to the Bluetooth to the SOS and come back to the Head unit. In order for it to work there can be no break in the loop. If there is everything that is on that loop will not function and or produce errors. Now I think people by pass and remove the L7 amp as part of the procedure in the relocation procedure. There is a second way to get rid of some the errors by programming the modules you don't want out of the cars list of options, but I don't see people use that a lot on this board. 2) Getting sound to your speakers. So now you need to get a harness that will route the pre amp signals to the Trunk area in a analog format for and amp or processor. (As I have been told that cars with the optical connection do not have wires for this) Then you can feed the outputs of your amp/processor through the factory harness for the speakers at the L7 amp location. You should get in touch with Technic for such a harness and the specific information you need . The kind of systems most build for a L7 system because of the 9 channels it has usually start with and ms-8.
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02-10-2013, 05:51 PM	#40
steve7909 Private 7 Rep 85 Posts Drives: 2007 e92 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	Thank you for the info, i already talked to technic about the harness an the MOST bypass, have my eye on the MS-8. part the sucks the most is my L7 blew last week an i already bought a replacement cause i thought i needed it to make this work... live an learn. I got confused about the differences between the hifi system an the top hifi L7 system. Thought they were the same.
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02-12-2013, 02:19 PM	#42
sitnlow4life Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: sicknasty Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	How exactly does the MS-8 Power all 11 speakers? Its technically an 8 channel amp correct? Also what is recomended to use for input from the Aftermarket Radio to the MS-8? High Level Speaker Input or Low Level RCAs? Thanks
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02-12-2013, 03:32 PM	#43
ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,102 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	Read some of the ms-8 system threads Read some of the ms-8 system threads I think the most common thing is one channel is assigned to a tweeter mid driver pair. Do a search for ms-8 and people will generally list there channel assignments. If you download the ms-8 manual they have a bunch of suggestions also. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=processor Last edited by ctuna; 02-12-2013 at 03:55 PM..
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