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      09-16-2018, 04:19 PM   #1
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I have been getting into track days over the past couple years and I have push my 335i to the limits of its tires, brakes and suspensions which brings my to my dilemma. Do I send the money upgrading the car? or do i just go ahead and get a whole new car?

2007 335i stock aside from a FMIC and DCI with only 68k on it.

The biggest issue i have found is the suspension on turns, i have a lot of body roll and constantly fighting over steer issues, even with pilot sports.
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      09-16-2018, 11:05 PM   #2
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How do you feel about an older E30 series car for track days...folks really love them for this.

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      09-16-2018, 11:13 PM   #3
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I have been getting into track days over the past couple years and I have push my 335i to the limits of its tires, brakes and suspensions which brings my to my dilemma. Do I send the money upgrading the car? or do i just go ahead and get a whole new car?

2007 335i stock aside from a FMIC and DCI with only 68k on it.

The biggest issue i have found is the suspension on turns, i have a lot of body roll and constantly fighting over steer issues, even with pilot sports.
I would import a Euro E36 M3 for a track day. They are legal next year.
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      09-17-2018, 10:34 AM   #4
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I would import a Euro E36 M3 for a track day. They are legal next year.
Yes sure they are by next year...
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      09-17-2018, 12:11 PM   #5
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maybe try m3 control arms, upgraded swasy and experiment with different spring rates. This is assuming you mean a full track not autox...if autox, i say miata.
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      09-17-2018, 03:16 PM   #6
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Yes I track it, auto X is too boring for me and around here the SCCA scams yous on what you get, typically 4 runs and having to man the course when your not running.

I mainly do HPDE and will probably stick to those for some time as I build more skill, if i where to switch cars i would want one i can DD and track on the occasionally weekend. Typically doing 4-6 tracks days a year now.

Would the upgrade to m3 control arms be that noticeable? also thinking of sway bar upgrades.
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      09-17-2018, 07:00 PM   #7
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Depends on your goals and ultimately your cash flow. Can you afford to have a second car that you can really beat on? If so do that, really deck it out with suspension stuff and enjoy the 335 as a daily
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Yes I track it, auto X is too boring for me and around here the SCCA scams yous on what you get, typically 4 runs and having to man the course when your not running.

I mainly do HPDE and will probably stick to those for some time as I build more skill, if i where to switch cars i would want one i can DD and track on the occasionally weekend. Typically doing 4-6 tracks days a year now.

Would the upgrade to m3 control arms be that noticeable? also thinking of sway bar upgrades.
different spring rates and shocks will make the most noticable difference.

i would go the suspension sub forum and do some research and figure out what suspension frequency for the front and back will meet your needs.
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      09-18-2018, 12:30 PM   #9
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Personally I would suggest getting a second car for track duty if it's something you really want to get into. Look at used race/track cars and don't worry about HP. Keep in mind tire/brake size and look for cheaper to run cars.

I recently spent some track time in a fully prepped lemons 24hr e36 race car. Now looking at doing some racing on a local team. Not even similar experiences. Race weight with driver and gas is around 2400-2500lbs.

My take away from doing HPDE track days:

First couple times it is easy to get hooked and want to do it all the time. After a couple track days the high running costs become apparent and the experience becomes more about track driving rather than driving X car at Y speed. You also start to see that track/race prepped cars will absolutely smoke most street cars with 2-3x the HP- except on straights.

For car/equipment:

-get something lightweight, RWD, N/A, and manual. (Used Caymen, Boxster (if club allows), Miata, RX8, E46/E36/E30 325i, etc.)
-assume it will get beat up and there is always the chance it could get totaled.
-upgrade tires and brake pads.
-enjoy the car for what it is.
-don't bother spending all the time, $ and aggravation to set up a daily driver to run a few seconds/lap faster for maybe 5 hours of non timed track time per year.
-trailer/vehicle to bring it to the track. Also helps in case you break something and live a few hours away.

Have fun and remember it's dangerous and random shit happens. Last track day I saw a newer corvette get towed off on a flatbed. The right rear wheel (wheel, not tire) must have been fatigued from a random impact and exploded on the straight. Car spun at 80+mph but luckily didn't hit anything. I didn't know the driver personally but he was running in the advanced run group. Very lucky dude.

PS: after running in a race car with full roll cage, no air bags, full harness, hans device, bucket seat, and fire suppression system- will make you feel very vulnerable in a street car with no roll cage and air bags.

Hope this helps.
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      09-20-2018, 09:46 AM   #10
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Personally I would suggest getting a second car for track duty if it's something you really want to get into. Look at used race/track cars and don't worry about HP. Keep in mind tire/brake size and look for cheaper to run cars.

I recently spent some track time in a fully prepped lemons 24hr e36 race car. Now looking at doing some racing on a local team. Not even similar experiences. Race weight with driver and gas is around 2400-2500lbs.

My take away from doing HPDE track days:

First couple times it is easy to get hooked and want to do it all the time. After a couple track days the high running costs become apparent and the experience becomes more about track driving rather than driving X car at Y speed. You also start to see that track/race prepped cars will absolutely smoke most street cars with 2-3x the HP- except on straights.

For car/equipment:

-get something lightweight, RWD, N/A, and manual. (Used Caymen, Boxster (if club allows), Miata, RX8, E46/E36/E30 325i, etc.)
-assume it will get beat up and there is always the chance it could get totaled.
-upgrade tires and brake pads.
-enjoy the car for what it is.
-don't bother spending all the time, $ and aggravation to set up a daily driver to run a few seconds/lap faster for maybe 5 hours of non timed track time per year.
-trailer/vehicle to bring it to the track. Also helps in case you break something and live a few hours away.

Have fun and remember it's dangerous and random shit happens. Last track day I saw a newer corvette get towed off on a flatbed. The right rear wheel (wheel, not tire) must have been fatigued from a random impact and exploded on the straight. Car spun at 80+mph but luckily didn't hit anything. I didn't know the driver personally but he was running in the advanced run group. Very lucky dude.

PS: after running in a race car with full roll cage, no air bags, full harness, hans device, bucket seat, and fire suppression system- will make you feel very vulnerable in a street car with no roll cage and air bags.

Hope this helps.
This does help, its funny that you bring up how HP doesn't really matter. My buddy has a stripped 330ci and sets the same lap times as me at several tracks, while he is 70hp less but 500+lbs lighter.
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      09-20-2018, 07:21 PM   #11
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An old friend of mine had a E46 M3 and after some track sessions he got hooked but wanted something different and dedicated for track usage so he sold that and picked up a Lotus Elise... which was great until this happened:

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f25...arnage-394226/
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