[kadolege]

Nice job... Looking awesome...

[T i h o r]

Damn dude that shyt looks professional.

Wanna fly out to Toronto and do mine? It'll still probably cost me less than goes to a shop lol

[ahyesiam]

Originally Posted by SSDD

Props to the OP for doing a quality job

And if autoblog is leading this many experts here to point out why we are doing it wrong we need to get more articles up there.

They came with me. It was sent to me by a friend and it has been a topic among a bunch of us installers.

[ahyesiam]

Originally Posted by ahyesiam

3M ij180 v3 is the best way to go. Have it printed black with 3M matte laminate. A lot of guys are experimenting with the Oracal Matte Black but 3M has proven results.

The difference:
Oracal Matte Black $1.36 per Sqr. Ft. if you buy 50 yds. x 60" That still a far cry from $120.00
3M $3.95 per sqr. ft. printed and laminated.

3M V3Ce14613 will work very well but will be a little tough to remove without an over laminate. You will have to get a price from a dealer on it.

BTW a 2 or 3 mil over laminate helps removal a great deal. Also 3M V3 adhesive is by far the best to work with going on and coming off.

I just wanted to add to this.

3M ij180 (or 380 for deeper contours) V3 with 3M 8515 Laminate. The magic is in the laminate. It makes it thicker and easier to handle and will take 3 times as much abuse installing and helps ten fold on the removal. You will need somebody at a wrap shop with a laminator to apply the laminate to the vinyl before you install it.

[XYR03]

If there are many professionals on here and willing to tell us what the OP has done wrong, instead why dont you tell us how to do it right? Add to this DYI....so the OP and every other member on here thats trying this can do it right. To all the new members that are just dropping in to read this thread please know that E90post members are not afraid to do a DIY and write a guide to everything that we do on here such as the OP. Look at the CF interior wraps from example. One member wrapped and started selling the material and most of the CF interior wraps on here were done by following the DIY on this forum. So if you guys are pros help us out and Let us know which material to use, and some pointers?

[XYR03]

Originally Posted by ahyesiam

I just wanted to add to this.

3M ij180 (or 380 for deeper contours) V3 with 3M 8515 Laminate. The magic is in the laminate. It makes it thicker and easier to handle and will take 3 times as much abuse installing and helps ten fold on the removal. You will need somebody at a wrap shop with a laminator to apply the laminate to the vinyl before you install it.

thank you! finially a pro adds to this that and not something against the OP.

[xtreme_sign_guy]

Originally Posted by starbai

gonna have to agree with you boss!!!

While i see that some people are just trying to let people know that hey there are some dangers to this and your original paint... there are people who are giving a very negative opinion of this guy's decision to do this.

Who's to say that after this film goes bad he wont rip it off and apply a higher quality different color in its place?

Regardless i think if he likes it, then it was worth it.

FYI, I wrap vehicles for a living and those who think vinyl will ruin their paint are a bunch of halfwits. If they did their research, they would find out that the vinyl actually protects the finish from the elements. Depending on what type of film used makes the difference of easy or difficult removal. Sure there are some films that will leave all the glue behind, but a good de-greaser will get rid of that quickly.
I have wrapped every vehicle I have owned in the past 10 years from when they were new, and I tell you that the paint looked brand new when the vinyl was removed. No road film, no scratches, no fading! Resale value through the roof.

[ahyesiam]

could be the next trendy thing.

[ahyesiam]

Originally Posted by xtreme_sign_guy

FYI, I wrap vehicles for a living and those who think vinyl will ruin their paint are a bunch of halfwits. If they did their research, they would find out that the vinyl actually protects the finish from the elements. Depending on what type of film used makes the difference of easy or difficult removal. Sure there are some films that will leave all the glue behind, but a good de-greaser will get rid of that quickly.
I have wrapped every vehicle I have owned in the past 10 years from when they were new, and I tell you that the paint looked brand new when the vinyl was removed. No road film, no scratches, no fading! Resale value through the roof.

Yes a good wrap will preserve the paint.
I bet you used a good laminated wrap cast with removable adhesive and not Ora-frickin-cal 651 or 751 with permanent adhesive. Not to mention the key is you are trained at it and do it for a living. Obviously you have never had to remove a bad install or one without a laminate on it. Or one that the clear coat came off with the vinyl from to much heat when it was installed (that happens on cheaper cars like Scions). Try your de-grease on Oracal 3551 with that nasty gray adhesive that someone went nuts with the Primer 94 adhesive promoter. A jack hammer won't take that stuff off.

[XYR03]

Originally Posted by xtreme_sign_guy

FYI, I wrap vehicles for a living and those who think vinyl will ruin their paint are a bunch of halfwits. If they did their research, they would find out that the vinyl actually protects the finish from the elements. Depending on what type of film used makes the difference of easy or difficult removal. Sure there are some films that will leave all the glue behind, but a good de-greaser will get rid of that quickly.
I have wrapped every vehicle I have owned in the past 10 years from when they were new, and I tell you that the paint looked brand new when the vinyl was removed. No road film, no scratches, no fading! Resale value through the roof.

so what type of vinyl did you use? 3M?

[ahyesiam]

Originally Posted by XYR03

so what type of vinyl did you use? 3M?

My favorite is Avery EZ1005 RS (I think it is now 1060 RS), but I have gotten 2 bad rolls (Printing issues not application, things you can't afford to deal with in production) in a row from 2 different suppliers so I switched to 3M ij180 V3 or ij380 V3 for really complex curves. 380 is a little high priced but cuts the install time down. If it is an old truck or school bus that I know will never be removed I will use Oracal 3551 or 9551. Arlon and LG, tried em and will never use em again.

[Raz335]

Originally Posted by ahyesiam

I just wanted to add to this.

3M ij180 (or 380 for deeper contours) V3 with 3M 8515 Laminate. The magic is in the laminate. It makes it thicker and easier to handle and will take 3 times as much abuse installing and helps ten fold on the removal. You will need somebody at a wrap shop with a laminator to apply the laminate to the vinyl before you install it.

Is this the same 3M vinyl you mentioned?
http://www.advantagesignsupply.com/3...-36-x-50-yards

I guess it would still need to be laminated, but the price is not bad at all?

[ahyesiam]

Originally Posted by Raz335

Is this the same 3M vinyl you mentioned?
http://www.advantagesignsupply.com/3...-36-x-50-yards

I guess it would still need to be laminated, but the price is not bad at all?

Thats it and the lam is a little more and it comes in gloss or matte.

[starbai]

Originally Posted by ahyesiam

could be the next trendy thing.

shoot you never know!

I never thought people would intentionally rust panels on their cars.

But its the new in thing...and in some applications... (old skool hooptie) its not even all that bad-- "rusty" the old skool 5 series comes to mind thats all over the interwebs

[starbai]

Originally Posted by ahyesiam

My favorite is Avery EZ1005 RS (I think it is now 1060 RS), but I have gotten 2 bad rolls (Printing issues not application, things you can't afford to deal with in production) in a row from 2 different suppliers so I switched to 3M ij180 V3 or ij380 V3 for really complex curves. 380 is a little high priced but cuts the install time down. If it is an old truck or school bus that I know will never be removed I will use Oracal 3551 or 9551. Arlon and LG, tried em and will never use em again.

Since oracal 951 is what I've been leaning towards, as its a material that doesn't need to be 'printed' and just comes in whatever color its ordered in, why is it the choice for you only if you know you wont be ever removing the film?

[Alan@PYSpeed.com[retired]]

3m 180 V3 does not come in matte black.

I am testing a sheet of 3M 180C22 and will post pictures. Apparently, the adhesive has a waffle pattern and is visible. I will have pictures soon.

[ronn16E90]

I just ripped my roof vinyl coz Im goin to redo it.I did a not so good job in cutting the sides and I am pretty anal about it LOL. Its fine!!! the paint didnt really got messed up and btw I used DRY application so its VERY STICKY!!I had plenty of the sticky marks but after I washed it, everything is good and there are no marks or w/e

[BadBoostedBMWM3]

Man, I think the matte black looks awesome!!!

[k-series]

Ok, so if I buy the recommended vinyl, what does a shop charge to "print the color" and "laminate" it?

Steve

[ronn16E90]

Originally Posted by k-series

Ok, so if I buy the recommended vinyl, what does a shop charge to "print the color" and "laminate" it?

Steve

I think thats a lil bit expensive,Im not 100% sure

[starbai]

Originally Posted by k-series

Ok, so if I buy the recommended vinyl, what does a shop charge to "print the color" and "laminate" it?

Steve

that is what I was concerned about as well.

The oracal stuff doesn't have the vinyl but doesn't need to be printed since it comes in whatever color you choose.

[flymosquera]

Originally Posted by xtreme_sign_guy

FYI, I wrap vehicles for a living and those who think vinyl will ruin their paint are a bunch of halfwits. If they did their research, they would find out that the vinyl actually protects the finish from the elements. Depending on what type of film used makes the difference of easy or difficult removal. Sure there are some films that will leave all the glue behind, but a good de-greaser will get rid of that quickly.
I have wrapped every vehicle I have owned in the past 10 years from when they were new, and I tell you that the paint looked brand new when the vinyl was removed. No road film, no scratches, no fading! Resale value through the roof.

Hey I see that you do this for a living. I have a question regarding what vinyl to use and I think you are the best person to ask. I have been looking at the oracol 651, 751 and 951. Which of these do you recommend to use to wrap the car. Or do you know another web page or distributer that I can call that sells a good quality vinyl?
thanks for your help