Project 335 Stealth has started

Dr_Dirt · 10-05-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WilyB

While you ar right about State PDs, many speed traps are manned by local LEOs, with simple radar speed guns (it provides a significant percentage of the local municipalities’ revenues!)

About lasers, black, preferably matt black, is the worst reflector. On a dark car, LEOs are trained to target the license plates, and if you do not have a license plate, or have a non reflective cover on it, they try to get the headlights. On the 335, the headlights are very tiny.

Reducing the RCS, or rather in that case - your laser reflectivity - enhances your counter-measures.

There are many available – and legal – laser scramblers. The less light your car reflects, the better the scrambler scrambles!

If you have a good working relationship with NY State Police, I might be interested in testing my project against their equipment?

Dark Blues (monaco blue) are also poor reflectors of light.
I actually got a chance to use a police laser gun, and the dark blue and black cars were virtually invisble to the laser gun.
Like you said, I had to aim for the license plate-- very tedious.

hov333 · 10-05-2007, 01:10 PM

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Shazmonkee · 10-05-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr_Dirt

Dark Blues (monaco blue) are also poor reflectors of light.
I actually got a chance to use a police laser gun, and the dark blue and black cars were virtually invisble to the laser gun.
Like you said, I had to aim for the license plate-- very tedious.

what if the license plate was really really dirty?

wesley_willis · 10-05-2007, 02:58 PM

or what if your state doesnt require license plate (with monaco)? im sure you can still get a reading from the headlights..

Dr_Dirt · 10-05-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shazmonkee

what if the license plate was really really dirty?

You would probably need some kind of IR diffuser over a license plate. Of course the darker the plate the better...

WilyB · 10-05-2007, 06:10 PM

It has been a long day in Zurich, and a fun evening, so I will post a short answer about license plates.

My angle is purely theoretical. I am not a lawyer and I do not know which solution is legal, or not, in whichever jurisdiction you might be. I advise the readers to inquire in their own countries, states, counties etc. about what is legally doable or not.

There are several ways to reduce the front license plate “signature” (RCS and laser return).

1. Do not mount a license plate.

2. If you are not legally obliged to sport a license plate, do not mount a fake metal plate with the logo of your favorite car manufacturer or your favorite team.

3. If you have to have a license plate:

a. Dip in the mud, bake it in the oven, and mount it back on your car.

b. Cover it with commercially available “anti-laser” coating. (I have not yet tried that product, so I have no opinion whatsoever about its performance. )

c. Cover it with the “Tool booth violator” plate. (Again, I have no clue whether it works or not, but I am sure the LOE will recognize it for what it is and treat you as a toll scoundrel!

)

d. Get from the DMW the darkest possible plate available. I’ve seen some pretty dark colored ones from some states. Coat it while new with a coat of matt clear varnish.

e. Get from the many vendors on the internet a plastic 3D license plate replica, with a license plate sized chunk of our RAM behind it.

4. While all of the above it fun, it may not be practical for many reasons. Here is what I would do if you cannot legally drive w/o a front license plate: angle it up. Millions of $$$ of studies say the right angle is fifteen degrees up (this is not a secret: just look at all those stealthy LaFayette frigate in the James Bond movies). Add to those fifteen degrees the angle that a LOE shooting his laser gun from 5’ to a car 200’ away (too tired to compute the angle now) and you will end up with a license plate about 107 degrees from the horizontal.

I’ll test #1 and #4.

L8Apex · 10-06-2007, 01:55 AM

Try this. http://www.bestradardetectors.net/La.../laserveil.htm

Dr_Dirt · 10-06-2007, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilyB

It has been a long day in Zurich, and a fun evening, so I will post a short answer about license plates.

My angle is purely theoretical. I am not a lawyer and I do not know which solution is legal, or not, in whichever jurisdiction you might be. I advise the readers to inquire in their own countries, states, counties etc. about what is legally doable or not.

There are several ways to reduce the front license plate “signature” (RCS and laser return).

1. Do not mount a license plate.

2. If you are not legally obliged to sport a license plate, do not mount a fake metal plate with the logo of your favorite car manufacturer or your favorite team.

3. If you have to have a license plate:

a. Dip in the mud, bake it in the oven, and mount it back on your car.

b. Cover it with commercially available “anti-laser” coating. (I have not yet tried that product, so I have no opinion whatsoever about its performance. )

c. Cover it with the “Tool booth violator” plate. (Again, I have no clue whether it works or not, but I am sure the LOE will recognize it for what it is and treat you as a toll scoundrel!

)

d. Get from the DMW the darkest possible plate available. I’ve seen some pretty dark colored ones from some states. Coat it while new with a coat of matt clear varnish.

e. Get from the many vendors on the internet a plastic 3D license plate replica, with a license plate sized chunk of our RAM behind it.

4. While all of the above it fun, it may not be practical for many reasons. Here is what I would do if you cannot legally drive w/o a front license plate: angle it up. Millions of $$$ of studies say the right angle is fifteen degrees up (this is not a secret: just look at all those stealthy LaFayette frigate in the James Bond movies). Add to those fifteen degrees the angle that a LOE shooting his laser gun from 5’ to a car 200’ away (too tired to compute the angle now) and you will end up with a license plate about 107 degrees from the horizontal.

I’ll test #1 and #4.

I like # 4 & 3b

judec · 10-24-2007, 06:37 PM

any updates, guys?

wesley_willis · 10-24-2007, 10:00 PM

yeah.. this is one of the things im most excited about my car for!!

judec · 11-10-2007, 12:27 PM

Magimac · 11-10-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rambino

Woo hoo

what about us Europeans? My Valentine 1 set on Euro mode still doesnt pick up 80 percent of the Photo cameras out here so i just removed it.. no point.. I need help.. im sick of getting tickets in the mail for 6kmh over grrr

one word fix: hairspray...

wesley_willis · 11-10-2007, 02:02 PM

surely styling his hair differently won't prevent him from getting another ticket

judec · 11-10-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Magimac

one word fix: hairspray...

What?

Confused as a blind lesbian at the fishmarket...

Magimac · 11-11-2007, 01:44 AM

Hairspray your plates -- Licence Plate Readers cannot read sprayed plates. If they use cameras, then buy a polarizing cover...

judec · 11-11-2007, 04:47 AM

well, dont wanna argue but those "camouflage" sprays were qualified as bogus. What would a hair spray make superior over not working specials?

Magimac · 11-11-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by judec

well, dont wanna argue but those "camouflage" sprays were qualified as bogus. What would a hair spray make superior over not working specials?

The 'camo' sprays are hairspray -- they make it difficult for most LPR equipment to read plates. Polarizing lenses work better imo -- photo mounts are almost all higher, so they get nothing but glare...

judec · 11-11-2007, 01:19 PM

OK, let's stop the OT (dont wanna say BS) and wait for Willy's follow up.

hotrod2448 · 11-11-2007, 02:52 PM

http://www.guysoflidar.com/testing.html

WilyB · 11-29-2007, 04:40 PM

I would like to say sorry for not having posted here in a while. I have been very busy lately and so is the factory, pesky but bill paying customers!

The project is definitively on and I am working on a real life test with a local law enforcement agency.

I shall keep you posted.

Thanks!

wesley_willis · 11-29-2007, 06:32 PM

Good luck with work and thanks for the update!! Hope to hear from you soon

WilyB · 12-24-2007, 04:57 PM

First, I’d like to say I am sorry for the delay, but the bill paying pesky customers kind of had some sort of priority!

But it is Xmas’ eve and guess what UPS left on my door? The stealth bra! It is thin, light and look exactly like the BMW factory original bra.

I will take pictures in the coming days.

Now I am looking for a friendly LOE who would like to help testing the bra against K and Ku band radars.

Merry Christmas to you all on e90post and let me know if you may help for the test.

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