EPA may hold certain 09 models until 10/24???

conemangler · 10-10-2008, 12:49 AM

The EPA thing is done. They finished ahead of the Oct 13 expected date.

The hold up now is CARB on the 09 *35 cars. Expected date is somewhere between Oct 22-27th.

The impression I got was that its no big deal, and approval is not an issue. But the signing off by the bureaucrats will happen on the bureaucrats time table and there is nothing BMW can do about it. I would assume they don't like cars sitting there. Especially, my poor imprisoned coupe. Who wants a car with red interior sitting in their storage lot taking seagull bombing runs.

The Port storage and the actual BMW facility are adjacent to each other so no need to truck transfer cars. Last I heard the cars on hold were still sitting in port storage.

Now I have to go feed my seagulls for delivering me these rumors.

mooshy_sushi · 10-10-2008, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conemangler

The EPA thing is done. They finished ahead of the Oct 13 expected date.

The hold up now is CARB on the 09 *35 cars. Expected date is somewhere between Oct 22-27th.

The impression I got was that its no big deal, and approval is not an issue. But the signing off by the bureaucrats will happen on the bureaucrats time table and there is nothing BMW can do about it. I would assume they don't like cars sitting there. Especially, my poor imprisoned coupe. Who wants a car with red interior sitting in their storage lot taking seagull bombing runs.

The Port storage and the actual BMW facility are adjacent to each other so no need to truck transfer cars. Last I heard the cars on hold were still sitting in port storage.

Now I have to go feed my seagulls for delivering me these rumors.

wow, the first line had me almost leap out of my seat in joy then i was quickly grounded when i read the next paragraph. what a tease

holo777 · 10-10-2008, 06:56 AM

So I've got what would be a depressing theory on the hold up. I think there has not been a hardware change on the N54 to address any waste gate rattles. EPA certification includes software and since BMW has modified the software ala 29.2+ the EPA may have had to review the new vehicle performance. With all the reports of people seeing fuel milage drop from pre 29.2 to post I'd be interested to see if the 2009 mpg numbers get revised downwards. Maybe this delay will teach BMW not to detune cars...

JBiddy · 10-10-2008, 07:39 AM

i was just wonderig guys if NJ is a state like cali(CARBS)?

runthis · 10-10-2008, 09:01 AM

Will the States that don't require CARB inspection, will those cars be released?

JBiddy · 10-10-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by runthis

Will the States that don't require CARB inspection, will those cars be released?

+1.........

ttvetdoc · 10-10-2008, 09:11 AM

I can't seem to find any info on which states require CARB. Any links?

WDW1Fanatic · 10-10-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DrBMW

I can't seem to find any info on which states require CARB. Any links?

The "California Air Resources Board" is here. Have not glanced through the site yet for more specifics, but I found a reference in Google from 12/2007 that there were 17 other states that had similar boards in place when the EPA did their thing last year trying to overrule States from having higher protection limits than what the Feds put in place.

DDG77AOE1 · 10-10-2008, 01:45 PM

Follow this link for CARB info.

It confirms MA, ME, CA, WA, OR, NY and VT are CARB states. NJ state website confirms their participation too. FL was considering it in 2007 but could not find any info on whether they adopted it.

Hope this helps.

JBiddy · 10-10-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DDG77AOE1

Follow this link for CARB info.

It confirms MA, ME, CA, WA, OR, NY and VT are CARB states. NJ state website confirms their participation too. FL was considering it in 2007 but could not find any info on whether they adopted it.

Hope this helps.

WOW!!! THIS HELPS ALOT..........
NJ is a CARB state........

wtf now am prob gonna get my car by next year....at the rate we are going......

ckimmel · 10-10-2008, 02:29 PM

Well, apparently Indiana is NOT a CARB state. (Not that this is surprising.)

BUT,... My dealer was originally telling me that my car (2009 335) arrived in port on 9/30 and that I should expect it in 5-7 days thereafter. I was pretty stoked. Now, I am still waiting and they are being sketchy about it, but telling me that they no longer expect it until 10/24! Ouch! They did not ellaborate further.

jamo · 10-10-2008, 03:32 PM

As I said yesterday, my CA said 10/28 which was his official notice from corporate. I'am going to try not thinking about it and expect my E-93 some time around the 1 st of Nov/08. If it comes sooner thats great.

methodtim · 10-10-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jamo

As I said yesterday, my CA said 10/28 which was his official notice from corporate. I'am going to try not thinking about it and expect my E-93 some time around the 1 st of Nov/08. If it comes sooner thats great.

Yeah, that sounds like a good way to approach this. I'll try not to think about it either.

Diamond Skyline · 10-10-2008, 03:38 PM

I also spoke with BMW NA.. it is confirmed the EPA is holding up the cars but the customer rep did not have details on when the process would be completed.. but to expect some delays in this first batch

oct. 28th sounds realistic though

mooshy_sushi · 10-10-2008, 04:12 PM

it doesn't make a huge difference but is it rumored our cars will be shipped out from the vpc on the 28th, or is that the day they will be arriving into dealerships? again, not a huge difference, but still curious. thanks.

JBiddy · 10-10-2008, 04:53 PM

ok so is official am not coming back on this site until i get my car.....am just going to forget that i ever ordered a E92 335i....hopefully that would help a little.....am depressed.........

conemangler · 10-10-2008, 05:25 PM

I would not think there would be an emissions hold on non-CARB cars right now. However, I have heard that some dealers near the borders to CARB states will order CARB cars so that there are no issues selling to out of state residents. An example might be Las Vegas dealers that like to sell to CA residents who fly in have a weekender and buy a car. Must be nice.

runthis · 10-10-2008, 05:26 PM

you and me both, I've been without a car since July, guess I should have bought a bus pass for October :-(

rmorin49 · 10-10-2008, 07:25 PM

My car, E93 335, has been at the VPC since 10/2. I live in MD. Any chance it will be released soon? I can't get any information out of BMWNA or my CA.

JBiddy · 10-10-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rmorin49

My car, E93 335, has been at the VPC since 10/2. I live in MD. Any chance it will be released soon? I can't get any information out of BMWNA or my CA.

whats up bro sry to hear that.......i am in the same boat as you hahaha my car has been at the prep center since september 19....

DDG77AOE1 · 10-10-2008, 08:32 PM

After finding out that people who had (non-turbo albeit) cars on board my ship (Traviata) were notified that their cars are being delivered to dealers in Washington State today, I had a 2 hr+ meeting at the BMW dealership today with my CA and the dealership manager to figure out what is going on. The manager called the grand poobah at the Oxnard VPC and asked exactly where my car was and what was holding it up. The VPC manager says that my car hasn't even cleared customs yet (but that it appears to be unscathed from its great transoceanic adventure - yay!). He said that there is no EPA hold on my 335xi and that it should be processed within the standard timeframe (3-14 days). Maybe the EPA is holding them in customs while things are sorted out?

I'm even more confused now as I can't believe that a car that I ordered and paid a deposit for on August 3 (and that wound up in Week 36 production) is so far back in the processing line that it's sat there for 5 days untouched. I have no idea what's going on at this point and I'm just going to re-set my sights on the delivery date the dealership gave me in August, which was November 15.

Let my BMW go!

3er858 · 10-10-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DDG77AOE1

After finding out that people who had (non-turbo albeit) cars on board my ship (Traviata) were notified that their cars are being delivered to dealers in Washington State today, I had a 2 hr+ meeting at the BMW dealership today with my CA and the dealership manager to figure out what is going on. The manager called the grand poobah at the Oxnard VPC and asked exactly where my car was and what was holding it up. The VPC manager says that my car hasn't even cleared customs yet (but that it appears to be unscathed from its great transoceanic adventure - yay!). He said that there is no EPA hold on my 335xi and that it should be processed within the standard timeframe (3-14 days). Maybe the EPA is holding them in customs while things are sorted out?

I'm even more confused now as I can't believe that a car that I ordered and paid a deposit for on August 3 (and that wound up in Week 36 production) is so far back in the processing line that it's sat there for 5 days untouched. I have no idea what's going on at this point and I'm just going to re-set my sights on the delivery date the dealership gave me in August, which was November 15.

Let my BMW go!

Interesting information... All of these conflicting stories is making my head hurt... I'm going to try and forget about my car and e90post for a while....

Who am I fooling? I can't stop thinking about it.

LOL

10-10-2008, 12:49 AM	#45
conemangler Dr. Conemangler 0 Rep 13 Posts Drives: 2009 335i Coupe White/Red Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	The EPA thing is done. They finished ahead of the Oct 13 expected date. The hold up now is CARB on the 09 *35 cars. Expected date is somewhere between Oct 22-27th. The impression I got was that its no big deal, and approval is not an issue. But the signing off by the bureaucrats will happen on the bureaucrats time table and there is nothing BMW can do about it. I would assume they don't like cars sitting there. Especially, my poor imprisoned coupe. Who wants a car with red interior sitting in their storage lot taking seagull bombing runs. The Port storage and the actual BMW facility are adjacent to each other so no need to truck transfer cars. Last I heard the cars on hold were still sitting in port storage. Now I have to go feed my seagulls for delivering me these rumors.
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holo777 Private First Class 1 Rep 162 Posts Drives: 135i Conv Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NE TN iTrader: (0)	So I've got what would be a depressing theory on the hold up. I think there has not been a hardware change on the N54 to address any waste gate rattles. EPA certification includes software and since BMW has modified the software ala 29.2+ the EPA may have had to review the new vehicle performance. With all the reports of people seeing fuel milage drop from pre 29.2 to post I'd be interested to see if the 2009 mpg numbers get revised downwards. Maybe this delay will teach BMW not to detune cars...
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10-10-2008, 07:39 AM	#48
JBiddy Brigadier General 197 Rep 3,840 Posts Drives: F82 ///M Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northern/N.J iTrader: (9)	i was just wonderig guys if NJ is a state like cali(CARBS)? __________________ ///M
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runthis Lieutenant 46 Rep 573 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati iTrader: (1)	Will the States that don't require CARB inspection, will those cars be released? __________________ 2015 F82 M4 - SOLD 2009 E92 335xi - SOLD
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DDG77AOE1 New Member 0 Rep 27 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335i Xdrive Sedan Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Honolulu, HI iTrader: (0)	Follow this link for CARB info. It confirms MA, ME, CA, WA, OR, NY and VT are CARB states. NJ state website confirms their participation too. FL was considering it in 2007 but could not find any info on whether they adopted it. Hope this helps.
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ckimmel Private First Class 2 Rep 102 Posts Drives: 2011 Toyota 4Runner Ltd Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indianapolis, IN iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 335i xdriv ... [0.00] 2009 335i xdrive [0.00]	not a CARB state? Well, apparently Indiana is NOT a CARB state. (Not that this is surprising.) BUT,... My dealer was originally telling me that my car (2009 335) arrived in port on 9/30 and that I should expect it in 5-7 days thereafter. I was pretty stoked. Now, I am still waiting and they are being sketchy about it, but telling me that they no longer expect it until 10/24! Ouch! They did not ellaborate further.
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10-10-2008, 03:32 PM	#56
jamo New Member 0 Rep 8 Posts Drives: 09 E-93 blk/red leather Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo,ny iTrader: (0)	As I said yesterday, my CA said 10/28 which was his official notice from corporate. I'am going to try not thinking about it and expect my E-93 some time around the 1 st of Nov/08. If it comes sooner thats great.
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Diamond Skyline Lieutenant 57 Rep 568 Posts Drives: JDM Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Boston iTrader: (4)	I also spoke with BMW NA.. it is confirmed the EPA is holding up the cars but the customer rep did not have details on when the process would be completed.. but to expect some delays in this first batch oct. 28th sounds realistic though __________________ '11 JCW Mini (Soon) '08 FX35 Sport (Current) '08 E92 M3 (Sold) '04 G35 Coupe (Sold)
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mooshy_sushi Enlisted Member 0 Rep 38 Posts Drives: '09 335i coupe Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: bay area, ca iTrader: (0)	it doesn't make a huge difference but is it rumored our cars will be shipped out from the vpc on the 28th, or is that the day they will be arriving into dealerships? again, not a huge difference, but still curious. thanks.
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JBiddy Brigadier General 197 Rep 3,840 Posts Drives: F82 ///M Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northern/N.J iTrader: (9)	ok so is official am not coming back on this site until i get my car.....am just going to forget that i ever ordered a E92 335i....hopefully that would help a little.....am depressed......... __________________ ///M
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conemangler Dr. Conemangler 0 Rep 13 Posts Drives: 2009 335i Coupe White/Red Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	I would not think there would be an emissions hold on non-CARB cars right now. However, I have heard that some dealers near the borders to CARB states will order CARB cars so that there are no issues selling to out of state residents. An example might be Las Vegas dealers that like to sell to CA residents who fly in have a weekender and buy a car. Must be nice.
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runthis Lieutenant 46 Rep 573 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati iTrader: (1)	you and me both, I've been without a car since July, guess I should have bought a bus pass for October :-(
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DDG77AOE1 New Member 0 Rep 27 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335i Xdrive Sedan Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Honolulu, HI iTrader: (0)	After finding out that people who had (non-turbo albeit) cars on board my ship (Traviata) were notified that their cars are being delivered to dealers in Washington State today, I had a 2 hr+ meeting at the BMW dealership today with my CA and the dealership manager to figure out what is going on. The manager called the grand poobah at the Oxnard VPC and asked exactly where my car was and what was holding it up. The VPC manager says that my car hasn't even cleared customs yet (but that it appears to be unscathed from its great transoceanic adventure - yay!). He said that there is no EPA hold on my 335xi and that it should be processed within the standard timeframe (3-14 days). Maybe the EPA is holding them in customs while things are sorted out? I'm even more confused now as I can't believe that a car that I ordered and paid a deposit for on August 3 (and that wound up in Week 36 production) is so far back in the processing line that it's sat there for 5 days untouched. I have no idea what's going on at this point and I'm just going to re-set my sights on the delivery date the dealership gave me in August, which was November 15. Let my BMW go!
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