EPA may hold certain 09 models until 10/24???

3er858 · 10-14-2008, 06:32 PM

I've also heard that BMW disputed the MPG rating... I have no idea if there's any truth to that or not.

sdslayer · 10-14-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 3er858

I've also heard that BMW disputed the MPG rating... I have no idea if there's any truth to that or not.

There's no disputing it has been about 72 degrees at 7pm at night when I go home. But, the top doesn't go down on my maxima rental, so that really doesnt matter.

3er858 · 10-14-2008, 07:51 PM

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There's no disputing it has been about 72 degrees at 7pm at night when I go home. But, the top doesn't go down on my maxima rental, so that really doesnt matter.

yea, none of it really matters.... we don't have our cars and I can't stop thinking about it.

I miss living in SD... It's a little bit cooler in the high desert

EDIT: cooler as in less warm, not more awesome, because SD is the best place on earth!

Ender514 · 10-14-2008, 08:02 PM

i guess we are all in the same boat...anxiously waiting....

Ender514 · 10-14-2008, 08:04 PM

im sure once we get our cars, we'll forget all about this little hiccup

DDG77AOE1 · 10-14-2008, 08:37 PM

My dealer's contact at the VPC confirmed the EPA hold (FINALLY!) as well today. He also says that the cars are slated for an Oct 29 release. I hope the 24th turns out to be the winning date, but I guess I'll focus on the later number and hope for a happy surprise.

rmorin49 · 10-14-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DDG77AOE1

My dealer's contact at the VPC confirmed the EPA hold (FINALLY!) as well today. He also says that the cars are slated for an Oct 29 release. I hope the 24th turns out to be the winning date, but I guess I'll focus on the later number and hope for a happy surprise.

I understand that all the cars headed for Hawaii have to be prepped with a special sun repellant wax and a pineapple air freshener installed in the ventilations system.

mooshy_sushi · 10-14-2008, 09:16 PM

ugh, if it's the 29th, i won't be around to pick up my car

i have this growing fear that the dealership is going to sell my car while i'm away even though i know they aren't suppose to do that. but what really would stop them from selling it if someone came in and wanted to buy it off their hands?

sdslayer · 10-14-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mooshy_sushi

ugh, if it's the 29th, i won't be around to pick up my car

i have this growing fear that the dealership is going to sell my car while i'm away even though i know they aren't suppose to do that. but what really would stop them from selling it if someone came in and wanted to buy it off their hands?

hey rainbow roll,

Did you order a barebones 328 wagon?? Green metallic with the red interior?

If so, it'll still be there!

mooshy_sushi · 10-14-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sdslayer

hey rainbow roll,

Did you order a barebones 328 wagon?? Green metallic with the red interior?

If so, it'll still be there!

HAHAHA, i honestly was feeling pretty down about the car until that post

but no, 335i montego coupe. what's scary is that my CA never took a deposit from me since he said if i were to back out of the deal, "it would be VERY easy to sell the car". then again, he said that before the economy went into the pooper. i do however have paperwork saying it's been sold to me.

again though, really, what would stop the dealership from selling my car if someone offered them cash upfront for it? if they sold it, would they be breaking any laws? or would it just be morally wrong? i swear though, if it's not there when i return from my trip, i'm going to raise holy hell in that dealership...then proceed to buy an audi

sdslayer · 10-14-2008, 11:40 PM

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HAHAHA, i honestly was feeling pretty down about the car until that post

but no, 335i montego coupe. what's scary is that my CA never took a deposit from me since he said if i were to back out of the deal, "it would be VERY easy to sell the car". then again, he said that before the economy went into the pooper. i do however have paperwork saying it's been sold to me.

again though, really, what would stop the dealership from selling my car if someone offered them cash upfront for it? if they sold it, would they be breaking any laws? or would it just be morally wrong? i swear though, if it's not there when i return from my trip, i'm going to raise holy hell in that dealership...then proceed to buy an audi

They have to tell you can they sell it. It isn't good for negotiation of they say "thank you so much for buying this because it would be on our lot for 6 months". My dealer told me he can sell ANY convertible with auto for MSRP. I think thats a little exaggerated...

I don't think there is anything legally wrong, but certainly not ethical. Either this forum or another bimmer forum has a story where the car was sold and the CA claims it was a mistake. At any rate, I am surprised he didn't take any deposit. Is this common?

Crisp · 10-15-2008, 12:36 AM

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sooo i called me CA yesterday and left him a voicemail about them giving me a courtesy vehicle, and he didnt even call me back he sends me an email stating that BMWNA pays them for loaner useage for factory warranty work. no other usage is reimbursed. therefore the vehicles are reserved for this purpose only......i think is a bunch of

Same here. I spoke with the manager and she said they can't really do much about the loaner since its reserved for warranty work purposes.
...had to try though.

ckimmel · 10-15-2008, 07:03 AM

When I ordered my 2006 S4 in the fall of 2005, they actually told me that they needed the deposit, because if I backed out they would be stuck with the car. It was red, nothing unusual. As it happened, they got another red one in with mine that sat on the lot for a full year before they could clear it out.

In a way, I would be a tad nervous as well, because their lack of having taken a deposit denotes their confidence in their ability to sell the car without it. I picture some sort of SNAFU confusion occuring on a day where your sales person is not in and some other sales person "sells" the car for sticker! That's the kind of thing that would happen to me I would just arrange to place a deposit or at least otherwise communicate your concerns.

All this being said, you are still a customer and I doubt very highly that you would intentionally be treated this way by any dealership.

runthis · 10-15-2008, 09:57 AM

I picked up my loaner yesterday, its a 08 335xi coupe demo with all the fixings. So I guess I satisfied

I think you should push for a loaner...

DDG77AOE1 · 10-15-2008, 11:00 AM

Don't know if this is good or not, but my car actually moved this morning. It's "At the Vehicle Preparation Center" finally (arrived PH on 10/6) according to the Owner's Circle. My CA just yesterday said it was still showing at the port on his system. I'm not getting excited about it, but at least it's progress. Maybe the rumors that the EPA got done early are true?

Frank2808 · 10-15-2008, 11:09 AM

I met with my CA this morning to return my lease and he said the computer was showing my car would be shipped from the VPC on Oct 26th.

runthis · 10-15-2008, 12:08 PM

Yes, I'm in Cincinnati, and My CA said around the same time.

thisguyhere · 10-15-2008, 12:54 PM

looks like it's going to be the last week of October...

sdslayer · 10-15-2008, 01:42 PM

I've been sitting here watching all the speculation and thought to myself "why not ask the EPA?". So I left a voice mail for the engine import team and got a call back just now. He said that the EPA doesn't hold up cars for certification. He said that car manufacturers have the responsibility to certify. The only reason there would be a hold up is if BMW didn't provide the right information requested. In hind sight, I probably should have asked him for specific information on BMWs, but I think my VM mentioned it. However, he flat out said that they are not holding any cars.

Interesting.

methodtim · 10-15-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sdslayer

I've been sitting here watching all the speculation and thought to myself "why not ask the EPA?". So I left a voice mail for the engine import team and got a call back just now. He said that the EPA doesn't hold up cars for certification. He said that car manufacturers have the responsibility to certify. The only reason there would be a hold up is if BMW didn't provide the right information requested. In hind sight, I probably should have asked him for specific information on BMWs, but I think my VM mentioned it. However, he flat out said that they are not holding any cars.

Interesting.

Good thinking, but typical bureaucrat response. He said that the EPA doesn't hold any cars, flat out, EXCEPT when BMW doesn't fill out the proper TPS reports in triplicate? Nice....

methodtim · 10-15-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DDG77AOE1

Don't know if this is good or not, but my car actually moved this morning. It's "At the Vehicle Preparation Center" finally (arrived PH on 10/6) according to the Owner's Circle. My CA just yesterday said it was still showing at the port on his system. I'm not getting excited about it, but at least it's progress. Maybe the rumors that the EPA got done early are true?

Unfortunately, OC updates don't really mean anything. Owner's Circle is anywhere from two days to a week behind reality. My car has been at that status for the last week and half.

JBiddy · 10-15-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sdslayer

I've been sitting here watching all the speculation and thought to myself "why not ask the EPA?". So I left a voice mail for the engine import team and got a call back just now. He said that the EPA doesn't hold up cars for certification. He said that car manufacturers have the responsibility to certify. The only reason there would be a hold up is if BMW didn't provide the right information requested. In hind sight, I probably should have asked him for specific information on BMWs, but I think my VM mentioned it. However, he flat out said that they are not holding any cars.

Interesting.

so it is BMW's fault....therefore i think that i am entitled to a courtasy vehicle,dont u guys think so???

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DDG77AOE1 New Member 0 Rep 27 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335i Xdrive Sedan Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Honolulu, HI iTrader: (0)	My dealer's contact at the VPC confirmed the EPA hold (FINALLY!) as well today. He also says that the cars are slated for an Oct 29 release. I hope the 24th turns out to be the winning date, but I guess I'll focus on the later number and hope for a happy surprise.
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mooshy_sushi Enlisted Member 0 Rep 38 Posts Drives: '09 335i coupe Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: bay area, ca iTrader: (0)	ugh, if it's the 29th, i won't be around to pick up my car i have this growing fear that the dealership is going to sell my car while i'm away even though i know they aren't suppose to do that. but what really would stop them from selling it if someone came in and wanted to buy it off their hands?
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sdslayer Private 8 Rep 92 Posts Drives: 2006 SL 500 - soon 09 335 cv Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sunny San Diego iTrader: (0)	update from the EPA I've been sitting here watching all the speculation and thought to myself "why not ask the EPA?". So I left a voice mail for the engine import team and got a call back just now. He said that the EPA doesn't hold up cars for certification. He said that car manufacturers have the responsibility to certify. The only reason there would be a hold up is if BMW didn't provide the right information requested. In hind sight, I probably should have asked him for specific information on BMWs, but I think my VM mentioned it. However, he flat out said that they are not holding any cars. Interesting.
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