[Terraphantm]

Originally Posted by Timothydevisser

Cant i just run the msv80 firmware on the msv70, or sounds this to easy

No they’re completely different in terms of software. But you should be able to run whatever msv70 software is most appropriate for your car without issue.

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by Terraphantm

No they’re completely different in terms of software. But you should be able to run whatever msv70 software is most appropriate for your car without issue.

Sorry for all the questions,

Will the msv70 be able to run the 3 stage disa ? and will he do this when i run the 330i flash from bimmerlabs without the MAF or should i have to change things in the dme settings ?

[rjahl]

Originally Posted by Timothydevisser

Sorry for all the questions,

Will the msv70 be able to run the 3 stage disa ? and will he do this when i run the 330i flash from bimmerlabs without the MAF or should i have to change things in the dme settings ?

You'r good, just put the car together.

The MSV70 will run a factory 330 tune with the three stage manifold and 255hp. That's what it was designed to do. No problems.

You may end up with a powerclass missmatch between the tune flashed into your DME and your car. That's "easily" fixable.

Make sure you have a good ODB Dcan cable around and BMW tools installed on a PC/laptop. You should have one for this car anyways. Hand's down the best diagnostic tools you can own.

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by rjahl

You'r good, just put the car together.

The MSV70 will run a factory 330 tune with the three stage manifold and 255hp. That's what it was designed to do. No problems.

You may end up with a powerclass missmatch between the tune flashed into your DME and your car. That's "easily" fixable.

Make sure you have a good ODB Dcan cable around and BMW tools installed on a PC/laptop. You should have one for this car anyways. Hand's down the best diagnostic tools you can own.

I have all the stuff to code, there is not the problem.

I guess your missing the post where i say the engine is a N52K so the last version and the msv70 is made for running the n52.

The n52k should be able to run at 272 from spec, will i be able to run that or only with the msv80 ?

[rjahl]

Originally Posted by Timothydevisser

I have all the stuff to code, there is not the problem.

I guess your missing the post where i say the engine is a N52K so the last version and the msv70 is made for running the n52.

The n52k should be able to run at 272 from spec, will i be able to run that or only with the msv80 ?

Don't get too caught up in the final HP number. With BMW switching between PS and DIN HP and various web sites listing it incorrectly, it's easy to get confused. The only 330 tunes getting anything near the 272 HP is the European 330 using a direct injection N53. Different motor and DME.

All the other factory three stage N52 (3 Liter) tunes are around 255-258HP. Trust me, Several of us have dug deeply through the factory tunes to analyze the differences. We've even compared the maps between the MSV80 and MSV70, They have the same values or very similar. Valve lift, Vanos, ignition timing, torque targets are all similar. Nothing to be gained by running one DME vs the other.

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by rjahl

Don't get too caught up in the final HP number. With BMW switching between PS and DIN HP and various web sites listing it incorrectly, it's easy to get confused. The only 330 tunes getting anything near the 272 HP is the European 330 using a direct injection N53. Different motor and DME.

All the other factory three stage N52 (3 Liter) tunes are around 255-258HP. Trust me, Several of us have dug deeply through the factory tunes to analyze the differences. We've even compared the maps between the MSV80 and MSV70, They have the same values or very similar. Valve lift, Vanos, ignition timing, torque targets are all similar. Nothing to be gained by running one DME vs the other.

Oke this week the engine will arrive, next big work will change the wiring loom to LHD.

I have 1 part of the wiring loom for LHD but have to shorten the ignision and fuel electro cables to fit and run.

cant find the entire loom for LHD

[hassmaschine]

Originally Posted by Timothydevisser

I have all the stuff to code, there is not the problem.

I guess your missing the post where i say the engine is a N52K so the last version and the msv70 is made for running the n52.

The n52k should be able to run at 272 from spec, will i be able to run that or only with the msv80 ?

All the N52K means is it has a plastic valve cover and intergrated PCV system. The rest of the engine is identical. Same head, block, crank and pistons.

[Timothydevisser]

Can i use a wiring loom from a 328i n52 ( from the usa )

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F143320469630

[Timothydevisser]

Started on the engine swap, the dme is out of the car.

The specialist says to send the current (Bosch) n46b20b dme and the Msv70 to him so he can copy the Isn from the Bosch to the Siemens msv70.
This sounds so easy, is it that simple ?

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by rjahl

The DME and CAS programming, Find someone that can Match the EWS keys in your CAS and while they are setting it up, get a tune designed for the three stage manifold you surely have on your new motor.

The man that will be matching the isn numbers says he only need my old dme and new dme and says if the isn in the new dme is the same as the old, the cas ews will recognize the string as the original.
Is this right ?

Current dme :MEV9N46L
New dme : MSV70

Both the dme’s use the old style isn

[rjahl]

I'm not well versed with the CAN ISN keys but logic would tell us that if the two DME's came from the same car/generation there is a really good chance that the keys are the same length/style. Yes, if you know where the ISN key is and have the right tools swapping the bytes onto the new DME should not be a problem. Check the ZB numbers on the CAS.

From your perspective, I would be more worried about other factors built into the DME to prevent people from installing the wrong calibration files. Powerclass is one of them and is well known. Bimmerlabs does a great job beating this protection by matching the calibration file to lower powerclass car. Its a byte value match, if your CAS has a strange value, the Bimmerlabs tune will not work. Very, Very easy to fix but could add frustration near the end of the project. Can you read the powerclass from your DME via NSCexpert?

Other factors such as vehicle type, country code, cat type etc are also coded as a protection. I'm not sure that any one of them will cause issues, just suggesting that you do some research. This engine swap is not that common. Hassmachine has studied this processor in depth and has a much better understanding.

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by rjahl

I'm not well versed with the CAN ISN keys but logic would tell us that if the two DME's came from the same car/generation there is a really good chance that the keys are the same length/style. Yes, if you know where the ISN key is and have the right tools swapping the bytes onto the new DME should not be a problem. Check the ZB numbers on the CAS.

From your perspective, I would be more worried about other factors built into the DME to prevent people from installing the wrong calibration files. Powerclass is one of them and is well known. Bimmerlabs does a great job beating this protection by matching the calibration file to lower powerclass car. Its a byte value match, if your CAS has a strange value, the Bimmerlabs tune will not work. Very, Very easy to fix but could add frustration near the end of the project. Can you read the powerclass from your DME via NSCexpert?

Other factors such as vehicle type, country code, cat type etc are also coded as a protection. I'm not sure that any one of them will cause issues, just suggesting that you do some research. This engine swap is not that common. Hassmachine has studied this processor in depth and has a much better understanding.

Can’t look with ncs expert because the engine is out of the car, project have started

[Timothydevisser]

Waiting for hassmachine to come in, and tell me how it works.

Hahaha

[Terraphantm]

Neither of us are as well versed in that particular DME, but I can't imagine it's too crazy to figure out where the ISN is stored.

That DME is EWS3 and not EWS4, right?

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by Terraphantm

Neither of us are as well versed in that particular DME, but I can't imagine it's too crazy to figure out where the ISN is stored.

That DME is EWS3 and not EWS4, right?

Should be ews3 i guess.

engine is in

[Timothydevisser]

Hello,

Have the dme back.
Wont work thoug, got serval errors and key get stuck and wont go out.
Can find the dme with inpa & winkfp but NcsExpert wont see it.
Dit the rsa flash and the no maf flash from bimmerlabs with succes.

Got srval codes : 2CFB
2D09
2F44
2FA3
2FA4

Need help

[hassmaschine]

2F44 is an EWS error.

2FA4 is a power class mismatch.

I think the others are not important.

You probably need to align the EWS module with the DME, and we'd need to make a tune that works with your power class.

MSV70 is EWS3, so it doesn't automatically align like EWS4 does.

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

2F44 is an EWS error.

2FA4 is a power class mismatch.

I think the others are not important.

You probably need to align the EWS module with the DME, and we'd need to make a tune that works with your power class.

MSV70 is EWS3, so it doesn't automatically align like EWS4 does.

How do i align the ews with the dme ?

how can i see the powerclass

[hassmaschine]

You would go into the CAS in INPA. There should be an EWS/DME alignment proceedure.

The power class is in the CAS, but probably it would be easier to just make the DME ignore it completely.

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

You would go into the CAS in INPA. There should be an EWS/DME alignment proceedure.

The power class is in the CAS, but probably it would be easier to just make the DME ignore it completely.

Like this ?

It wont work...

[hassmaschine]

Looks like they didn't copy the ISN properly then, since it didn't accept the value.

[Timothydevisser]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Looks like they didn't copy the ISN properly then, since it didn't accept the value.

What to do now..
They say they did copy the isn from the old bosch module to the msv70 ( it was the short isn so easy copy )

If the isn from the bosch module is in the msv70 i should not even do the syncronisation because the cas and keys are from the bosch module so they store the same isn.

Can you tell me why my key is stuck in the car ?
Even when using the old original dme the key wont come out...