THE MOST RECKLESS BMW DEALERSHIP IN THE USA... and their lawyers..

TheStigsTwin · 01-07-2012, 11:31 PM

Do you mind if I link this thread to the BMWCCA website? I would be curious to see how some of those gearheads analyze your accident.

TheStigsTwin · 01-08-2012, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arguru

Of course man. I encourage it.

Cool, i'll look into it.

TotalPower · 01-09-2012, 09:11 AM

BMWNA is starting to sound like Iran- maybe if they were transparent and honest about the matter you could feel a sense of customer support and loyalty. They're being way too shady about a life threatening issue.

Nalod · 01-09-2012, 10:55 AM

I thought Richard Jones asked a very good question about what would make the OP happy and what a resolution would look like.

Bottom line is the OP does not have a car he can drive and feel good about.

So much has gotten lost in the process.

At this point it would appear OP is going the distance and both sides have their backs to the wall.

Too bad the end result won't really be known. It is logical BMW and/or Penske can find an economical solution to make the op happy. The cost will be sign a non-disclosure.

If both parties are satisfied, its a win-win.

Car companies always have lawsuits and always have had to deal with design flaws.

Good luck OP and do wish you a happy resolution.

Sam335ix · 01-09-2012, 11:18 AM

Talking about Dick Jones, whatever happened to to dick? He seemed to be a shy dick, he retreated quickly after he was called out.

soulja620 · 01-09-2012, 01:06 PM

never dealt with scottsdale bmw.... keep this in mind

Quisp · 01-09-2012, 10:25 PM

speaking from experience, BMW is one to ignore and cover up rather than solve. Let us review a recent situation:
The fuel pump issue began in 2007 right after the firsr N54 were sold, with the first few reports to the NHTSA. That began the 29.2 and turbo lag and we didnt do anything to your car, it is acting with specifications, ok we did do something, lets put in some reman pumps, oh shit we are on tv, extend the warranty with a BS recall for the press, oh shit we are being sued, proposed settlement years.

The guys in munich may be taking it seriously but it might not be the way you think or want, more of a cover thier ass and try to smell like a rose when it is over approach than a lets solve it and do whats right thing(that comes much later).
And I have banged heads with BMWNA. It got to where they knew my name in New Jersey and Germany and they had me flagged somehow so nobody would touch my car. BMW is very good at avoidance and stonewalling and spinning.

mike3000fl · 01-09-2012, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quisp

speaking from experience, BMW is one to ignore and cover up rather than solve. Let us review a recent situation:
The fuel pump issue began in 2007 right after the firsr N54 were sold, with the first few reports to the NHTSA. That began the 29.2 and turbo lag and we didnt do anything to your car, it is acting with specifications, ok we did do something, lets put in some reman pumps, oh shit we are on tv, extend the warranty with a BS recall for the press, oh shit we are being sued, proposed settlement years.

The guys in munich may be taking it seriously but it might not be the way you think or want, more of a cover thier ass and try to smell like a rose when it is over approach than a lets solve it and do whats right thing(that comes much later).
And I have banged heads with BMWNA. It got to where they knew my name in New Jersey and Germany and they had me flagged somehow so nobody would touch my car. BMW is very good at avoidance and stonewalling and spinning.

this.

create a website, link it to this post, find others with the same problem who are googling their issues. find a lawyer who specializes in automotive class action. let the ball roll.

networkn · 01-10-2012, 04:03 AM

I think it's a little unfair to compare this to the HPFP thing. In reality it takes a long time to determine there is a widespread issue with a car. There are a LOT of factors involved. They are a big company and whilst they have deep pockets, it's not just a case of money.

I think the reasonable thing is for the dealer to get you back on the road, and then properly investigate. If there are other cases, then they should be presented to BMWNA and BMW Germany and work from there.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect a complete resolution quickly.

MDyDinanM · 01-10-2012, 12:27 PM

arguru

check your PM cue

Orion4 · 01-10-2012, 01:24 PM

I think the below is an excellent idea. In fact, this should be posted on all the other sites and blogs tracking this case encouraging owners to call and ask BMWNA about this safety issue AND file reports/complaints to the NHTSA (https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm ). The more reported and/inquiries, the more attention/pressure on NHTSA and BWMNA to respond formally (and News Media exposure).

"BMW is flat out ignoring it. If you don't believe me then call the head of their customer service dept directly at 201 263 8217 and see for yourself. Customer concerns and safety issues seem to be very low on their totem pole.

Seriously, give them a call. Then you'll be able to see exactly what I'm talking about."

TheStigsTwin · 01-11-2012, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion4

I think the below is an excellent idea. In fact, this should be posted on all the other sites and blogs tracking this case encouraging owners to call and ask BMWNA about this safety issue AND file reports/complaints to the NHTSA (https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm ). The more reported and/inquiries, the more attention/pressure on NHTSA and BWMNA to respond formally (and News Media exposure).

"BMW is flat out ignoring it. If you don't believe me then call the head of their customer service dept directly at 201 263 8217 and see for yourself. Customer concerns and safety issues seem to be very low on their totem pole.

Seriously, give them a call. Then you'll be able to see exactly what I'm talking about."

Can I make a claim to NHTSA about a car that isn't mine?

Quisp · 01-11-2012, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike3000fl

this.

create a website, link it to this post, find others with the same problem who are googling their issues. find a lawyer who specializes in automotive class action. let the ball roll.

Been there, done that, took over 3 years.

I agree that this is not the same as the HPFP, but this is how the HPFP was at the beginning. One person who posted and then found out that there were others with the same issue. If it does turn out that more people have this problem you will find strength in numbers.
One person can take on a giant and win, but if he has allies, it can only help.

335BBS · 01-11-2012, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike3000fl

this.

create a website, link it to this post, find others with the same problem who are googling their issues. find a lawyer who specializes in automotive class action. let the ball roll.

This seems to be a fairly isolated incident. How many others have posted here?

mike3000fl · 01-11-2012, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leaker

This seems to be a fairly isolated incident. How many others have posted here?

if you read the jalopnik article it says he has been contacted by others who shared the same issues.

drew313 · 01-13-2012, 03:26 PM

Any updates?

BimmerRob · 01-13-2012, 04:32 PM

handle it the chinese way.

kablammo · 01-13-2012, 06:20 PM

Probably already posted...maybe you should contact these guys:

http://www.gilardi.com/hpfpsettlement/Contact%20Us.html

1) They already have BMW's ear.
2) Sounds like there are others with the same problem

Can you imagine the publicity if all Active Steering cars have this "potential" issue to NOT Steer.

ABC News, 60 Minutes would have a field day, and rightly so.

networkn · 01-14-2012, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kablammo

Probably already posted...maybe you should contact these guys:

http://www.gilardi.com/hpfpsettlement/Contact%20Us.html

1) They already have BMW's ear.
2) Sounds like there are others with the same problem

Can you imagine the publicity if all Active Steering cars have this "potential" issue to NOT Steer.

ABC News, 60 Minutes would have a field day, and rightly so.

And back to hysteria....

kablammo · 01-14-2012, 11:31 AM

I only read to the point that active steering has no fail safe. Is it true? A cliff notes on the issue would be great. Sorry I did not read the entire thread. I was assuming the absolute worst case.

SantaMonica335i · 01-14-2012, 06:54 PM

I wonder where this story is going to go once BMW searches past posts by the OP and finds out that he installed LCD retrofit taillights on his car against the advise by the dealership that told him they werent compatable with the build date of his car. I'm just thinking that messing with the electrical system of your car could possible lead to problems.

And why on 12/22 did he ask about removing the front tires on the vehicle because he cracked the front rims in an unspecified "accident". You mean he drove this death trap of a car after all that happened with the stearing?

Just saying.

nafoo · 01-14-2012, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SantaMonica335i

I wonder where this story is going to go once BMW searches past posts by the OP and finds out that he installed LCD retrofit taillights on his car against the advise by the dealership that told him they werent compatable with the build date of his car. I'm just thinking that messing with the electrical system of your car could possible lead to problems.

And why on 12/22 did he ask about removing the front tires on the vehicle because he cracked the front rims in an unspecified "accident". You mean he drove this death trap of a car after all that happened with the stearing?

Just saying.

Reading comprehension fail.

01-07-2012, 11:31 PM	#287
TheStigsTwin Captain 11 Rep 964 Posts Drives: 2011 335xi Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Arizona iTrader: (0)	Do you mind if I link this thread to the BMWCCA website? I would be curious to see how some of those gearheads analyze your accident.
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TotalPower Lieutenant 32 Rep 480 Posts Drives: 2011 335is Vert AW Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	BMWNA is starting to sound like Iran- maybe if they were transparent and honest about the matter you could feel a sense of customer support and loyalty. They're being way too shady about a life threatening issue.
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Nalod Major 79 Rep 1,073 Posts Drives: 2013 535i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NorthCarolina iTrader: (0)	I thought Richard Jones asked a very good question about what would make the OP happy and what a resolution would look like. Bottom line is the OP does not have a car he can drive and feel good about. So much has gotten lost in the process. At this point it would appear OP is going the distance and both sides have their backs to the wall. Too bad the end result won't really be known. It is logical BMW and/or Penske can find an economical solution to make the op happy. The cost will be sign a non-disclosure. If both parties are satisfied, its a win-win. Car companies always have lawsuits and always have had to deal with design flaws. Good luck OP and do wish you a happy resolution.
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Sam335ix Major 65 Rep 1,274 Posts Drives: 335 ix performance edition Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Redskin Country iTrader: (0)	Talking about Dick Jones, whatever happened to to dick? He seemed to be a shy dick, he retreated quickly after he was called out.
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Quisp Does not play well with others 80 Rep 1,787 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arizona iTrader: (4)	speaking from experience, BMW is one to ignore and cover up rather than solve. Let us review a recent situation: The fuel pump issue began in 2007 right after the firsr N54 were sold, with the first few reports to the NHTSA. That began the 29.2 and turbo lag and we didnt do anything to your car, it is acting with specifications, ok we did do something, lets put in some reman pumps, oh shit we are on tv, extend the warranty with a BS recall for the press, oh shit we are being sued, proposed settlement years. The guys in munich may be taking it seriously but it might not be the way you think or want, more of a cover thier ass and try to smell like a rose when it is over approach than a lets solve it and do whats right thing(that comes much later). And I have banged heads with BMWNA. It got to where they knew my name in New Jersey and Germany and they had me flagged somehow so nobody would touch my car. BMW is very good at avoidance and stonewalling and spinning. __________________
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01-10-2012, 04:03 AM	#295
networkn Private First Class 11 Rep 112 Posts Drives: 335i 2011 Touring Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New Zealand iTrader: (0)	I think it's a little unfair to compare this to the HPFP thing. In reality it takes a long time to determine there is a widespread issue with a car. There are a LOT of factors involved. They are a big company and whilst they have deep pockets, it's not just a case of money. I think the reasonable thing is for the dealer to get you back on the road, and then properly investigate. If there are other cases, then they should be presented to BMWNA and BMW Germany and work from there. I don't think it's reasonable to expect a complete resolution quickly.
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Orion4 Lieutenant Colonel 478 Rep 1,568 Posts Drives: 2013 335i Sport Line Sedan Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne, FL iTrader: (0)	I think the below is an excellent idea. In fact, this should be posted on all the other sites and blogs tracking this case encouraging owners to call and ask BMWNA about this safety issue AND file reports/complaints to the NHTSA (https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm ). The more reported and/inquiries, the more attention/pressure on NHTSA and BWMNA to respond formally (and News Media exposure). "BMW is flat out ignoring it. If you don't believe me then call the head of their customer service dept directly at 201 263 8217 and see for yourself. Customer concerns and safety issues seem to be very low on their totem pole. Seriously, give them a call. Then you'll be able to see exactly what I'm talking about."
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kablammo Private First Class 19 Rep 107 Posts Drives: x1 sDrive, e53 4.4, e36 M3/4/5 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Parker, CO iTrader: (0)	Probably already posted...maybe you should contact these guys: http://www.gilardi.com/hpfpsettlement/Contact%20Us.html 1) They already have BMW's ear. 2) Sounds like there are others with the same problem Can you imagine the publicity if all Active Steering cars have this "potential" issue to NOT Steer. ABC News, 60 Minutes would have a field day, and rightly so. Last edited by kablammo; 01-13-2012 at 06:38 PM..
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kablammo Private First Class 19 Rep 107 Posts Drives: x1 sDrive, e53 4.4, e36 M3/4/5 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Parker, CO iTrader: (0)	I only read to the point that active steering has no fail safe. Is it true? A cliff notes on the issue would be great. Sorry I did not read the entire thread. I was assuming the absolute worst case.
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SantaMonica335i Enlisted Member 0 Rep 40 Posts Drives: '07 335i Coupe Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	I wonder where this story is going to go once BMW searches past posts by the OP and finds out that he installed LCD retrofit taillights on his car against the advise by the dealership that told him they werent compatable with the build date of his car. I'm just thinking that messing with the electrical system of your car could possible lead to problems. And why on 12/22 did he ask about removing the front tires on the vehicle because he cracked the front rims in an unspecified "accident". You mean he drove this death trap of a car after all that happened with the stearing? Just saying.
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