More 135i/335i Suspension R&D - E9X M3 rear camber link and damper

HP Autosport · 05-09-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Based on this, would you say that this would also be a good mod for an e90/92 M3?

Coilovers, for sure!

sparkyg · 05-09-2009, 10:59 AM

Outstanding work Orb, truly ground breaking outside the box thinking on this project.

Well done guys, all you guys, I am a little envious of this jewellery for my M3.

Mr. 5 · 05-14-2009, 11:09 AM

If one were to replace just the rear camber link and the rear shocks, could we use the camber links with what we already have?

If so, I believe this is what we need:

Rear camber links (2)
33532283888 lower rubber pad (2)
Rear M3 shocks (2)

Gen_E92 · 05-14-2009, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

If one were to replace just the rear camber link and the rear shocks, could we use the camber links with what we already have?

If so, I believe this is what we need:

Rear camber links (2)
33532283888 lower rubber pad (2)
Rear M3 shocks (2)

I think you need M3 rear springs as well

HP Autosport · 05-14-2009, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

If one were to replace just the rear camber link and the rear shocks, could we use the camber links with what we already have?

If so, I believe this is what we need:

Rear camber links (2)
33532283888 lower rubber pad (2)
Rear M3 shocks (2)

You can reuse the upper camber link, but the lower camber links are what you will be replacing.

I highly recommend a true coilover type spring and height adjuster be added to this upgrade.

Chowbow · 06-23-2009, 07:41 PM

Bringing this one back from the dead.

Found a good "suspension walkaround" from Edmunds.com on both the M3 and 135i. You can see some of the suspension differences here, and can be useful for some people to visualize the differences:

M3: http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...ound.html#more
135i: http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...alkaround.html

HP Autosport · 07-22-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chowbow

Bringing this one back from the dead.

Found a good "suspension walkaround" from Edmunds.com on both the M3 and 135i. You can see some of the suspension differences here, and can be useful for some people to visualize the differences:

M3: http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...ound.html#more
135i: http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...alkaround.html

This one deserves a bump!

HP Autosport · 08-10-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen_E92

I think you need M3 rear springs as well

Actually, the oem 128i/135i/328i/330i/335i springs will work just fine. However, to get the most out of this conversion/upgrade, you should convert to a coilover type spring with the correct rates for your application with ride height adjusters.

HP Autosport · 12-23-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gen_E92

I think you need M3 rear springs as well

Now that you have the rear lower camber link conversion and M3 rear single adjust Koni dampers, how is the whole system working out?

HP Autosport · 11-15-2011, 11:33 PM

Just a reminder that the rear headlight aim bracket is not a piece from the M3, it is a custom piece we have engineered. The M3 bracket will NOT work on the non-M cars due to the different rear subframe.

stratplaya06 · 11-16-2011, 10:09 PM

Any plans to release the toe links orb designed?

EDIT: I know about the rogue and other adjustable arms but I liked the design of orb's better, they were curved like the m3 and had really high end bushings. Did you ever start making those, Harold?

HP Autosport · 11-16-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stratplaya06

Any plans to release the toe links orb designed?

EDIT: I know about the rogue and other adjustable arms but I liked the design of orb's better, they were curved like the m3 and had really high end bushings. Did you ever start making those, Harold?

No, those never went into production because the cost. They would have been easily at least twice as much as the RE ones.

Orb · 11-17-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

Just a reminder that the rear headlight aim bracket is not a piece from the M3, it is a custom piece we have engineered. The M3 bracket will NOT work on the non-M cars due to the different rear subframe.

Harold, you did not engineer this....you got a CAD file and drawing given to you by me! This will be the last time I will say do not take credit for anything you have not done personally which includes parts and shared technical information.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stratplaya06

Any plans to release the toe links orb designed?

EDIT: I know about the rogue and other adjustable arms but I liked the design of orb's better, they were curved like the m3 and had really high end bushings. Did you ever start making those, Harold?

The newer toe links (30% stiffer) retail for about 525.00 for set if they were made. 80% of the cost are in the bearings and the viton seals...the aluminum links are fairly cheap....even have the M3 logo on them know. They will last the life car raced or not so you get what you pay for. Cheaper bearing are no problem but they will not last more than 1-2 years....cost drops by about 125.00. Cost is based on you proudction run so it goes down accordingly. If a vendor wished to contact me directly it may be possible produce them.

HP Autosport · 11-17-2011, 01:18 AM

If you don't want to take credit for anything you have done, that is fine with us, but please read all the threads with credit given when credit is due, including this one!

Barefoot-335is · 06-14-2017, 09:32 AM

Bumping this old thread, so what ever came of this?
Results?

I'm wanting to refresh my rear suspension and always wondered about the Rear Camber Link Swap, so you need to run Coil Overs which I am planning and what else? Rear Headlight Leveling rod?

HP Autosport · 06-14-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot-335is

Bumping this old thread, so what ever came of this?
Results?

I'm wanting to refresh my rear suspension and always wondered about the Rear Camber Link Swap, so you need to run Coil Overs which I am planning and what else? Rear Headlight Leveling rod?

R&D completed and we have sold a countless number of these kits.

http://www.hpashop.com/BMW-OEM-M3-Re...ink-e9x-m3.htm

The correct rear headlight aim bracket is also included in the kit.

Barefoot-335is · 06-14-2017, 04:14 PM

Ok, Awesome, and Thanks for answering my email that I sent you directly from your Website!

One more item added to the list!

HP Autosport · 06-14-2017, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot-335is

Ok, Awesome, and Thanks for answering my email that I sent you directly from your Website!

One more item added to the list!

You are welcome.

Let us know if you have other questions.

BB_cuda · 06-16-2017, 03:29 PM

Harold. Is there an option to delete the M3 camber links if I already have them? Same for the headlight bracket. Also, I'd like to keep same ride height as I have now (M-sport). Not sure if this is realistic. Thanks!

HP Autosport · 06-16-2017, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BB_cuda

Harold. Is there an option to delete the M3 camber links if I already have them? Same for the headlight bracket. Also, I'd like to keep same ride height as I have now (M-sport). Not sure if this is realistic. Thanks!

Are you after just the shocks and springs?

BB_cuda · 06-16-2017, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HP Autosport

Are you after just the shocks and springs?

Possibly a coil over setup. I will email you what I'm thinking about.

HP Autosport · 06-16-2017, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB_cuda

Possibly a coil over setup. I will email you what I'm thinking about.

That was what I figured since I can recall you already have the E9x M3 rear camber link conversion kit.

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