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      03-25-2017, 02:18 PM   #23
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I can't believe people are actually suggesting Jack3d... lates bro . Forget that and forget C4, and everything else. Everyone do yourself a favor, and go buy Vintage Blast. Check it out on Amazon. There is no comedown whatsoever, & it's more about getting you focused, than feeling like your on crack.
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I can't believe people are actually suggesting Jack3d... lates bro . Forget that and forget C4, and everything else. Everyone do yourself a favor, and go buy Vintage Blast. Check it out on Amazon. There is no comedown whatsoever, & it's more about getting you focused, than feeling like your on crack.
This is a pretty decent preworkout.

Only 1g of Beta alanine though which research shows should be closer to 2g+.

But it's missing:

BCAA
Creatine
Betaine
Huperzine
Alpha GPC

Still light years better than anything with a proprietary blend though.
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right now I'm rotating Pre-Jym and Quake 10.0...

I like both a lot even though they are caffeine heavy. As long as I keep hydrated with lots of water during and after workout I don't crash at all. Feel great all day (I work out early am and consume no other caffeine all day). Sleep great at night.
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There is no comedown whatsoever, & it's more about getting you focused, than feeling like your on crack.
I prefer crack.
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right now I'm rotating Pre-Jym and Quake 10.0...

I like both a lot even though they are caffeine heavy. As long as I keep hydrated with lots of water during and after workout I don't crash at all. Feel great all day (I work out early am and consume no other caffeine all day). Sleep great at night.
Quake 10.0 looks solid! Rarely ever switch off of pre-jym but this may be worth a try.
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Quake 10.0 looks solid! Rarely ever switch off of pre-jym but this may be worth a try.
Yeah I've been using pre-jym non stop for too long now. I cycled completely off stims for a bit and now am rotating those two (also have a tub of Pre-Kaged to try out). Give it a try. Feels different but good. PreJym seems to be a bit more intense but with Quake I get to the end of an hour in the gym and feel like I could go another full hour.
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Yeah I've been using pre-jym non stop for too long now. I cycled completely off stims for a bit and now am rotating those two (also have a tub of Pre-Kaged to try out). Give it a try. Feels different but good. PreJym seems to be a bit more intense but with Quake I get to the end of an hour in the gym and feel like I could go another full hour.
I tried pre kaged a few months back, pretty similar to pre-jym but with less nootropics. I'll give it a shot!
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I've never taken a pre but this last Friday (I gym before work) I coudn't hardly do any of the volume I usually do.

Was figuring coffee but what are the benefits of pre-workouts? It's all that pink shit people carry around to drink right? lol
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I came to the conclusion that the best pre-workout for me is a 8oz cup of coffee 30mins to an hr before I head to the gym then another one right before I head out. and I have been working out pumped and always feel good. no jitters/yawning/short of breath that the crack feeling pre-work out mixes gave me.
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I've never taken a pre but this last Friday (I gym before work) I coudn't hardly do any of the volume I usually do.

Was figuring coffee but what are the benefits of pre-workouts? It's all that pink shit people carry around to drink right? lol
Pre-workouts provide a much greater benefit than just "amping you up".

Below are a few ingredients found in pretty much any preworkout and the data to show some benefits from supplementing them to your diet:

https://examine.com/supplements/creatine/

https://examine.com/supplements/bran...n-amino-acids/

https://examine.com/supplements/trimethylglycine/

A lot of times I get tired of feeling so "stimmed up" when I workout, so right now I just drink creatine and BCAA before I workout.

BTW the colored drinks that people slug around in their water jugs is typically BCAA's.

I highly recommend supplementing with creatine if you do regular resistance training.. its dirt cheap.
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I've never taken a pre but this last Friday (I gym before work) I coudn't hardly do any of the volume I usually do.

Was figuring coffee but what are the benefits of pre-workouts? It's all that pink shit people carry around to drink right? lol
Pre-workouts provide a much greater benefit than just "amping you up".

Below are a few ingredients found in pretty much any preworkout and the data to show some benefits from supplementing them to your diet:

https://examine.com/supplements/creatine/

https://examine.com/supplements/bran...n-amino-acids/

https://examine.com/supplements/trimethylglycine/

A lot of times I get tired of feeling so "stimmed up" when I workout, so right now I just drink creatine and BCAA before I workout.

BTW the colored drinks that people slug around in their water jugs is typically BCAA's.

I highly recommend supplementing with creatine if you do regular resistance training.. its dirt cheap.
So what does all this do in summary? Lol

I don't want any caffeine at all.

My typical workout is full body split supersetted to gain strength and rid of body fat. Baby got me dad bodded LOL

Keep intensity high to keep heart rate up with less than a minute rest. Body weight plus free weights. I know to some of you this is heresey but I'm not trying to be buff lol
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So what does all this do in summary? Lol

I don't want any caffeine at all.

My typical workout is full body split supersetted to gain strength and rid of body fat. Baby got me dad bodded LOL

Keep intensity high to keep heart rate up with less than a minute rest. Body weight plus free weights. I know to some of you this is heresey but I'm not trying to be buff lol
In short:

Creatine supplementation leads to increased power output, muscle hydration, anaerobic cardiovascular capacity, and lean mass.

BCAAS - improves aerobic exercise, fat oxidation (fat loss), and decreased fatigue.

If you are trying to shed fat, I would recommend calculating your macronutrients here and you will easily shed fat by hitting your numbers everyday.

https://www.iifym.com/iifym-calculator/
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GAT Nitraflex has been my go to for the past two yrs. crazy pumps and not a hard crash at all.
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So what does all this do in summary? Lol

I don't want any caffeine at all.

My typical workout is full body split supersetted to gain strength and rid of body fat. Baby got me dad bodded LOL

Keep intensity high to keep heart rate up with less than a minute rest. Body weight plus free weights. I know to some of you this is heresey but I'm not trying to be buff lol
In short:

Creatine supplementation leads to increased power output, muscle hydration, anaerobic cardiovascular capacity, and lean mass.

BCAAS - improves aerobic exercise, fat oxidation (fat loss), and decreased fatigue.

If you are trying to shed fat, I would recommend calculating your macronutrients here and you will easily shed fat by hitting your numbers everyday.

https://www.iifym.com/iifym-calculator/
Just got some bcaa this weekend. Let's see the difference tomorrow morning.
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ephedrine HCL, 24mg (I used to take up to 80mg in my crazy youth), a strong coffee

Never cared for the 'next gen' preworkouts that always made me feel like I was about to have a stroke.

50mg anadrol used to be fun when I was young, dumb and training in a 'hardcore' powerlifting gym.
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Hey all,

So I was always reluctant to try pre workout because nobody knows the long-term effects; however, today I took the dive and bought two containers of C4 from Costco. Tried 1 scoop a half hour before my workout, as per the directions, and didn't feel anything. Does this stuff actually work? Is there another brand I should try?

Thanks
I am a natural bodybuilder I have 20in arms and a 50in chest I take Whey Isolate a half hour before I workout and German Creatine monohydrate after my workout. I can bench over 400 lbs. I'm not as ripped as the steriod users but I do have a six pack. Your gains should be enough to motivate you

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I am a natural bodybuilder I have 20in arms and a 50in chest I take Whey Isolate a half hour before I workout and German Creatine monohydrate after my workout. I can bench over 400 lbs. I'm not as ripped as the steriod users but I do have a six pack. Your gains should be enough to motivate you
Impressive bro, I was a very un-natty BBer and my biggest was 18.5" and that was a few weeks out of contest condition. Are you 6'3" or something?
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Hey all,

So I was always reluctant to try pre workout because nobody knows the long-term effects; however, today I took the dive and bought two containers of C4 from Costco. Tried 1 scoop a half hour before my workout, as per the directions, and didn't feel anything. Does this stuff actually work? Is there another brand I should try?

Thanks
I am a natural bodybuilder I have 20in arms and a 50in chest I take Whey Isolate a half hour before I workout and German Creatine monohydrate after my workout. I can bench over 400 lbs. I'm not as ripped as the steriod users but I do have a six pack. Your gains should be enough to motivate you
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Impressive bro, I was a very un-natty BBer and my biggest was 18.5" and that was a few weeks out of contest condition. Are you 6'3" or something?
Im 6ft2
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