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MY N53 (NOX, Injectors, rough run, sooty exhaust) Is running badly how do I diagnose
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07-19-2020, 04:06 AM | #309 |
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first od all- enjoy your holiday....you should be able to drive back with this
secondly, this issue can have more causes...and needs deeper diagnostics; your nox cat could be dead or going; maybe your nox sensor was damaged (by a grease a a spray) during installation, your nox could be a chinese fake if you purchased from unauthorized sources etc; broken ccv membrane is less likely within such a short time frame |
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07-19-2020, 12:50 PM | #310 | |
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https://bimmerprofs.com/encoding-new...tic-converter/ Edit: or maybe it was this one actually: https://bimmerprofs.com/encoding-new-nox-sensor/ Last edited by 4foothill; 07-19-2020 at 01:03 PM.. |
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07-19-2020, 05:43 PM | #311 |
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yep of course there is an option that NOx cat is already dead.. PCV will be replaced by new one after i get back to home. I already have a new one. I dont thing that sensor has been damaged during the instalation by spray e.g. BTW thx, i will be back soon. Its only one week holiday Sure, car can run in homo mode ( ) but the conspumption 10l/100km is annoying. I did 9,6 avg. consumption by refuelnig last tank after 600km. @4foothill If you mean erase adaptation and make a new one - yes I did. Not by istaD as your template. I used bimmer teplate with inpa. But the result should be the same. |
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07-20-2020, 02:12 AM | #312 |
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inpa is great...but depending on the version it sometimes fails even in encoding the battery...try to repeat the nox encoding as well as deleting of the adaptations by ista
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07-20-2020, 02:19 AM | #313 |
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you would be surprised how sensitive is the material in the nox probe....usually, most of mechanics do the exchange of nox with dirty/greasy hands, and also use a lots of various chemicals to release the old nox sensor....which often is, due to its location, very difficult to get out
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07-20-2020, 12:28 PM | #314 | |
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30e9 is the cat itself. You can try to force a regen etc. |
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07-20-2020, 05:15 PM | #315 |
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delate adaptation is not someting what I want to do 1500km away from home. Last adaptation tooked me more than 3h - 15min each single way, 15m wainting etc.. I guess if the sensor was demaged by mechanic - it wouldnt work from the begining. And not after 800 km. Senzor themself work.. but only one measurement is out of the box. will460cs I have done 600-800 km (400-500 miles) It came when I was on the holiday journey. I have tried for desulphurization several times... without any success. I dont know what im doing wrong.. using INPA.. I have tried start it with engine turn off.. with engine on the idle, even on ride.. nothihng. I rode under 110, 115,120,130+ nothing.. I dont speak german but translator told me someting like "the condition hasnt been met".. What kind of condition? Everytime I had more than 1/2 fuel tank.. Lambda was 0,98 min.. exhause temp. max 500 on 4th and 3500rev.. If anybody has an idea why im not able to start desulphurization - lay it on me |
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07-21-2020, 05:23 AM | #316 |
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That is correct...30e9 indicates clogged nox cat....but if I am not mistaken the level of clogging is based on dme calculation rather than measuring some parametres in the cat; it often happens when other parts of nox system are not able to complete the regen ...so the forced regen is definitely a good idea
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07-21-2020, 05:33 AM | #317 | |
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what nox sensor did you install....original??? if one of the values evaluated in nox sensor is out of box....it could be damaged nox probe....the original (NGK) nox sensor has 2 probes in its head- one for lambda and one for nox from what you mentioned- electronic part of the nox sensor seems to be all right; otherwise dme would throw various codes if the initialization procedure of the nox sensor would fail.... |
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07-21-2020, 04:29 PM | #318 |
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I still have the old one. Im not sure but its possible thats old one has the same issue as the new one. All measurment was working but only the one was down.. but I cant say it with 100% sure coz i didnt focused on it in diagnostics. The new one wasnt from BMW store, agree. If the nox was damaged during installation, i guess it would not show data from the beginning..? Anyway the forced regen would be fine. I was thinking on the same thing - it was the first - and maybe last thing what i could tried in the middle of nowhere. But I was unlucky.. I was unable to start the forced reg... Do you have any idea what im doing wrong in the process? thx a lof for your time! |
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09-28-2020, 08:06 AM | #319 | |
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10-19-2020, 09:20 AM | #321 | |
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Thanks for the info. I'm trying to work out what issue I have. I have rough idle very briefly on some cold starts that disappears as soon as it came and a sooty exhaust. However the only codes that come up for me are as follows - 2B05 - Nitrogen Oxide Sensor, Heating 30DC - Nitrogen Oxide Sensor, Heating One that has only come up once ... 2A2B - Mixture control I'm booked in to replace the nox sensor this saturday before a remap on monday (also have the 330i 3 stage manifold installed) however I'm now thinking based on your post it could be injectors rather than the sensor? Anyone got any ideas? Cheers, H. |
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10-22-2020, 07:34 AM | #322 |
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84Reasons I'd say that's classic failed injector symptoms. And if you're thinking about replacing NOx sesnsors, why not consider an emulator?
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10-31-2020, 12:41 PM | #323 |
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I was getting codes for the NOX sensor recently, along with one for my thermostat. Just replaced the thermostat and my NOX codes have disappeared. Car now seems to run in stratified mode when i get moving according to my Foxwell NT510. Strange.
Only issue I've got now is that I already bought the NOXEM 129, and its currently half way shipped to me.... Anyone know if there's any point in me still fitting it if I'm no longer getting any NOX codes? If no, whats the chances of them accepting a return? Bimmerprofs don't have anything on their websiite about returns. |
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10-31-2020, 04:58 PM | #324 | |
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11-02-2020, 11:03 AM | #325 | |
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The codes are now gone after the nox sensor replacement so I'd assume it was that, had the remap now and no lumpy idle for even a second! I asked my mechanic about injectors and he seemed to think it would be very lumpy and a lot more noticeable ! Hopefully he's right |
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11-12-2020, 01:16 PM | #326 |
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Bringing this thread back to life!
Dropped my car down the garage today with what looks like the nox cat aging as per my reader. symptoms, horrible idle, if I leave it let it play out it’ll stall. If I run the car and keep revs high once the engine has warmed it’ll all go back to normal until the next morning. Anyway, long story short my garage is against noxem (not sure he was even aware of it) and is keen on the map route. What’s everyone’s thoughts, I can only see positive from noxem and not much info about people who’ve mapped a 330i. |
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11-13-2020, 06:36 PM | #327 | |
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Well, I can contribute a bit on this now Original BMW NOX sensors are a bit more expensive and had bad reputation because of its first (01) generation; actual release is 05 (I assume that they improved in terms of the nox probe itself but also electronic parts responsible for controling regeneration...) and I am aware about 6-7 cars who use it for more than 3 years (high mileage) with no issues (but all ofthem are already aware of the fact many n53 owners never heard of- for a successfull nox regeneration you have to drive with already warmed up engine for at least 15mins at the speed above 120kmh and have at least half of your tank full) Another option seems to be a me-too NOX sensor from Metzger at almost half of the price of original. I have no personal experience here but there is a number of guys at bimmer forums reporting it works fine. My guess is that electronic part can work well but have some doubts on longevity of nox probe- as the only reliable producer of them is NGK and they keep pricing high...would be interesting to find out which probe Metzger uses Noxem is a good idea but not so good execution (probably typical for the producer coming from former USSR)...it reportedly has many issues(at least in my country but I am also in touch with guys from Slovakia, Poland and Hungary); 3 out of 5 cars I know which installed noxem in last 24months had a fail within 1st month of usage ( 2 cases were failing overvoltage protection, my case was a construction/quality issue on electronic mainboard causing error 2EAE...but it must be a risk factor for the whole production lot from the respective year if not more...as these mainboard are surely produced in hundreds somewhere in China...my guess based on what I have seen inside the "blackbox"); all 3 cases sorted out by claim but it required aditional work and time to get it right...plus car 2 weeks out of order. 4th car with noxem got into trouble after 2years and some 50K miles- the probe died although despite promising bimmerprofs fairytale marketing of longevity...and the claim was refused on the basis that probes are not covered- only electronics. Fortunately, there is a DIY solution to this- as many of you realized during the instalation- the probe of noxem is quite standard Bosch lambda probe (there is no real nox measurement going on here in contrast to orixinal nox sensor...the probe just generates a signal for blackbox which is then used to emulate a "report" for dme) which can be purchased elsewhere and replaced... Mapping out the nox system is quite experimental and complex way...it has a simpler solution for those who do not mind loosing stratified- I am aware about at least 2 cars with this solution, both have also nox decat and pass emissions succesfully (note that nox emissions in homogenous mode are very low...it is the stratified devil which creates nox and forces high requirements on operational nox system...which unfortunately increases service costs for many n53 owners). I have been myself experimenting with nox map-out and stratified in place but it is very complex and requires a lot of time to get various scenarios tested; it would be much easier and faster if I had a technical documentation (with all algorithms and communication protocols between nox electronics and msd80)...and as this is not my priority I am not there. |
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11-14-2020, 12:05 PM | #328 | |
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I just fitted the NOXEM to my N53 and I've gotten stratified charge mode back, as well as probably a 25/30% improvement in MPG, so I do recommend it so far. It's better you make your own decision on whether to fit one or not, rather than taking advice from the garage. If you do get the NOXEM I'd highly recommend you either fit it yourself, or pay a garage to a simple removal and installation. You should code the new sensor and NOX CAT using ISTA, as well as reset the engine adaptions yourself (which is really simple tbh). |
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11-14-2020, 12:08 PM | #329 | |
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It seems pretty well build to be honest, and yeah it is a Bosch sensor that it uses. Mostly everyone else who I've spoke to that fitted a NOXEM haven't had any issues at all. |
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