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07-10-2009, 09:23 PM | #178 | |
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07-11-2009, 08:47 AM | #179 | |
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Basically it's clear that it's plug-and-play, you just need to change the VO with INPA or Autologic. But the biggest question is how to activate Navi, because you need VIN-specific FSC which is generated by BMW online via Internet. |
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07-11-2009, 09:22 AM | #180 | |
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07-11-2009, 10:21 AM | #181 |
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So, it's possible but the enabling codes are needed. That's tricky though, I'm not sure they would authorize the ordering of the codes for a car that wasn't originally equipped with a CIC. The other option is trying to crack the enabling codes, which probably isn't easy since they are encrypted. Someone made some progress towards it, but I don't think ever got all the way there.
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07-11-2009, 01:29 PM | #182 | |
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Changing the Vehicle Order (which also requires the VIN to be performed) is only required if what is wanted is a complete retrofit to a car without iDrive. And we already know that it can be done with the right connections: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131416 So if the vehicle already is equipped with iDrive half of the battle is won already. Obtaining the FSC in the other hand is like you are saying but with a twist: it could be very tricky. However, it could be done the same way as changing the VO in theory, but it will require a little more than the right connection to the department that create the FSC. So this is the very next step after getting the cables and before ordering the major parts... meeting the more than the right connection. |
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07-11-2009, 02:03 PM | #183 |
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07-11-2009, 02:42 PM | #184 | |
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The real issue, as you said, will be the enabling code.
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07-11-2009, 04:02 PM | #185 | |
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Technic - I was working on the FSC hack for quite a while but stopped progress when I was able to just "order" it (for free!) from BMW. However, I have seen somewhere on the net (E60 forums?) where someone broke it all down and figured it out the coding schema in XML. |
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07-11-2009, 04:35 PM | #186 | |
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Again, if you could just completely retrofitted the iDrive from the whole wiring harness to the complete system to the VO/FSC, then I don't honestly see any major issues obtaining this FSC directly from BMWNA for just a swap. And because I started noticing that some members here are retrofitting TCUc for the Bluetooth function without any dealer programming just by plugging them in, perhaps this swap will automatically sync with the rest of my systems -I hope. The only one that probably will not work is my Individual Audio, just because it requires the CIC to output in digital, but if it outputs in analog then it will be better for me as I upgraded my sound system to aftermarket anyways. |
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07-11-2009, 04:44 PM | #187 | |
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So far I'm running the new iDrive controller with the old iDrive, so at least the CAN messages seem to be the same. Let's see... |
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07-11-2009, 05:03 PM | #188 |
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I think my BIGGEST concern of this whole CIC retrofit (as stated before) is that I'm pretty much sure conventional BMW programming methods (SSS/Progman) will fail to flash the car due to the part number incompatibilities for that year car - this is a try and see what happens issue. I'm fairly certain that we could get a CIC, CID, and controller all hooked up and working 90% without any programming at all. Its that last 10% that is going to be a hassle...
Someone needs to buy a CIC (or borrow one?!) and hook it up and see what happens!!! If I had my preference, it would be a 2006 or early 2007 E90! (hee-hee) |
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07-11-2009, 05:19 PM | #189 | |
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If I get all the cables and the USB port, and got some reassurance from the local BMW dealer that I can get some custom FSC then I will order the parts. However, I'm keeping the old iDrive parts just to allow my car to be coded in the future by doing a quick retro-retrofit. |
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07-12-2009, 01:31 AM | #190 |
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Another possible way - official CIC retrofit. But will it come? : ) I am not sure : (
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07-12-2009, 07:29 AM | #191 | |
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These OEM Nav kits were never officially offered in the USA, but I got a hold of one for the E46: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=203145 I think that the closer we get to the last model years of the current 3-Series it could be possible for BMW to start offering an OEM retrofit kit of the LCI iDrive, just to clean up their inventories. |
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07-12-2009, 06:08 PM | #192 | |
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07-12-2009, 08:30 PM | #194 |
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Yep! You can have it all planned out on paper, but there will always be some snags! Definitely a fun project, though, and one I would attempt if I had the extra cash lying around.
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07-21-2009, 05:45 AM | #195 |
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I have been told by an independent BMW specialist that autologic probably have the solution for making voice control working without using activation code
I have also got the price of CIC from New Zealand BMW, the price is around $1800NZD which is not too bad. but the screen is still very expensive, not sure what's the price in other country? |
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07-21-2009, 08:51 AM | #196 | |
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The TCU started communicating with the OEM HU/iDrive right away by just following the OEM retrofit instructions (fiber optics re-positioning, hardware installation) and just pairing a phone to it. The Assist service also worked as well... I expect the same with this iDrive retrofit, that once is functional -be thru the FSC codes or Autologic- it will be communicating with the rest of the audio components automatically. The only component that I expect to have problems is with the OEM amp, just because it could be either analog or digital and that's something that depends of what type of audio signal the CIC is programmed to output, not a MOST communication issue. |
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07-23-2009, 07:39 AM | #197 | ||
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The complete OEM cable is needed, there's no way around it. Quote:
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07-23-2009, 11:57 AM | #198 | ||
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The CDMA TCU -as far as I know- does not send any interactive display to the iDrive other than its basic data. Then there's the issue of a possible change of iDrive/GSM TCU coding between 03/08 and 04/08 production, when the CDMA TCU was replaced by the GSM version. The new iDrive controller that I retrofitted in the "old" iDrive without any issues into my 05/08 production M3 is not working at all in pre-04/08 production M3: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280901 However, in the same thread there is an Australian 09/07 production M3 that the same new iDrive controller worked without any issues with the "old" iDrive... the difference is that its TCU is GSM -it has never been CDMA outside the USA. Thus, I assuming that there must be some markedly different software running between the GSM TCU/"old" iDrive and the CDMA TCU/"old" iDrive that doesn't even allow the new controller to be backwards compatible. So swapping TCUs not necessarily would have to follow my theory of the Vehicle Order supporting a swap of iDrive components as some other coding will be required. Last edited by Technic; 07-30-2009 at 08:00 AM.. |
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