[Venom01]

Mine actually came back.. i had it stored in the garage for a few about 4 days.. turned it on and its loud.

Im going back on monday to take care of this.

im really pissed

[hitster]

I have the same shit going on in my car after 23k miles.. I love BMW's, have spent a shit load of money on them over the past 10 years but this is just a piss take... as soon as I get this fixed the car is being sold, 2 HPFP's, now this.. its stupid.

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by Yzandrl

I've had the tick on and off in the past but was told it was "normal" by the dealership. When it became worse, I would take it in for an apointment but then it would be gone by the time I arrive in three or four days. Now, I bought the vehicle in Phoenix, so cold wasn't an issue but moved to Germany for the military and had my vehicle shipped there. In the cold here, it ticks just like the you tube videos, going away only after driving a long distance. I'm in warranty in NA until July, but here in Europe I am out of luck I understand. It sounds like I'll be paying 5K one day for parts and labor and have permanent engine damage.

Sheesh, maybe we need to put together a Do It Yourself for this common issue? Lol

Anyone have any insight to options or advice?

Establish a documented complaint during the warranty period. This will allow you to pursue a remedy even after the warranty expires.

[wolverine44]

Originally Posted by cimbali

I didnt read this whole thread...but maybe this recent bulletin would be useful/applicable:

September 2009

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B11 09 07 dated January 2009.

SUBJECT
Intermittent Hydraulic Valve Adjuster (HVA) Noise

MODEL
All E82, E83, E88, E85, E86, E60, E61, E70, E90, E91, E92 and E93 vehicles with N51, N52 or N52K engines produced approximately up to November 31st 2008; refer to cylinder head casting identification attachment.


SITUATION
An occasional ticking or rattling noise from the camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) may occur during cold engine starts, due to frequent short-distance driving, or the noise may occur for an extended period of time even though the engine is at operating temperature.

Improved parts were phased into production beginning on 10/1/2008 and fully implemented on November 31st 2008.

CORRECTION
Do not perform the bleeding procedure that was previously provided in SI B11 09 07 which has now been deleted.

All vehicles produced between 10/1/2008 and 11/31/2008 must have each vehicle's cylinder head casting number identified before hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) replacement, due to staggered implementation. Refer to the attachment for the casting number location. Vehicles produced after 11/31/2008 have already been fitted with improved parts. Vehicles produced prior to 10/1/2008 will require the new parts.

Improved Casting Numbers

N51 (B30)
7588277.01

N52 (B30)
7588273.01

N52K (B30)
7588271.01

A cylinder head casting number that does not match will require replacement of the 12 exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) as per Repair Instruction RA 11 33 050, Removing and installing/replacing all rocker arms. Only the exhaust camshaft and rocker arms have to be removed in order to replace the hydraulic valve lifters. Do not remove or replace any intake camshaft valve train components.

PARTS INFORMATION
Part Number
Description
Quantity

11 33 7 605 330
Hydraulic Valve Lifter (HVA)
12

Refer to EPC for additional gaskets, seals and bolts, as required by the Repair Instructions.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty, or the Certified Pre-Owned program.

Please refer to the latest KSD for the applicable Main or Associated labor allowance for the specific model.

Defect Code:
11 33 93 39 00


Labor Operation:
Labor Allowance:
Description:

00 58 248
Refer to KSD
Replace exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA)

*Main Work

or

00 58 827
Refer to KSD
Replace exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA)

+ Associated Work

Note: The following explanations will spell out the correct use of the work times.

Main Work:
Use this labor operation number when the only repair performed is the listed warranty repair.


OR


+Associated Work:
Use this labor operation number when other repairs or services are performed along with the listed warranty repair.
Under no circumstances should both labor operation numbers be claimed. Attempts to claim both times will result in an unnecessary delay in claim processing and payment.

Can you identify the SIB that supercedes SI B11 09 07 ?

I just purchased a CPO 2007 328i and they performed SI B11 09 07 (replaced all exhaust HVA elements, valve cover gasket, cam bolt) and wondering whether they should also perform this SIB which seems to indicates that the cylinder head should also be replaced. I'd like to get more information on this SIB to know for sure.

Related question, where do you go get all the SIB information?

Another related question, I found out from the dealer that my car has the N52 engine. How do you determine/validate this?

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by wolverine44

Can you identify the SIB that supercedes SI B11 09 07 ?

I just purchased a CPO 2007 328i and they performed SI B11 09 07 (replaced all exhaust HVA elements, valve cover gasket, cam bolt) and wondering whether they should also perform this SIB which seems to indicates that the cylinder head should also be replaced. I'd like to get more information on this SIB to know for sure.

Related question, where do you go get all the SIB information?

Another related question, I found out from the dealer that my car has the N52 engine. How do you determine/validate this?

335 is the N54(TT), 328 has N52(NA), 06 325 has N52B25, 06 330 N52B30

[ramp]

All very interesting. 5800 miles and I may be going down the same path. Intermittent valve tick.

[wootang_clan]

I'm having the exact same issue and played the mp3 file posted on this thread and it sounds dead on. I didn't even notice it until I read this thread. I said something to my SA (also referenced the service bulletin) and he said that he noticed it when I brought it in last week for something else. He said that he's going to take a look. I'm taking it in on Monday.

So is the fix for this head replacement or HVA exhaust lifters replacement or both?

[samchoi604]

What will be the consequence of unfixed ticking issue? I want to get mine fixed as well, but I don't want to have to fight with the service advisor about it. Any one have a good approach?

[davidk]

The best way to get this resolved, especially if you can't reproduce the noise at the dealer is a video with sound. This did it for me, since a long drive on the freeway will typically cause the noise to temporarily disappear. As far as doing nothing, I doubt there are any short term consequences, but the jury is still out on long term issues. I have said it before, BMW has replaced a lot of heads to resolve just a slight noise issue.

[bsamoul]

Originally Posted by wootang_clan

I'm having the exact same issue and played the mp3 file posted on this thread and it sounds dead on. I didn't even notice it until I read this thread. I said something to my SA (also referenced the service bulletin) and he said that he noticed it when I brought it in last week for something else. He said that he's going to take a look. I'm taking it in on Monday.

So is the fix for this head replacement or HVA exhaust lifters replacement or both?

Usually they'll start with lifters and only do the head if that doesn't work.

[driverman]

Originally Posted by bsamoul

Usually they'll start with lifters and only do the head if that doesn't work.

+1. My service adviser told me the same thing yesterday.

I've got 22K miles. I didn't drive the car for a few days except to pull it in and out of garage to detail it. When I started it the next day, the click was there loud and clear, even with the windows and sunroof closed. There's nothing subtle about it. I took it for a short drive but it didn't go away. I took a video and let it sit for a while. When I restarted it, the noise was gone.

My SA was terrific. I've got an appointment to get the exhaust valve lifters replaced.

Many thanks to everyone for their posts. Soon after I heard the noise, I came to e90post.com and found this thread. The 60+ pages of posts, service bulletin and videos helped me understand what's going on.

[ebmw90]

Hey guys this is my first post on this forum but i been fallowing this for a while. i had the ticking on my BMW too which i bought from a private dealer @ 43000 miles. At 45000 the ticking came on.. i took it to BMW and they changed the lifters but the ticking came on after two weeks but i was still driving it hoping that it will go away but no luck. so @49700 miles i took it back to BMW and they just changed the head yesterday. So lets hope that the cylinder head solves the problem because i am almost out of warranty.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by ebmw90

Hey guys this is my first post on this forum but i been fallowing this for a while. i had the ticking on my BMW too which i bought from a private dealer @ 43000 miles. At 45000 the ticking came on.. i took it to BMW and they changed the lifters but the ticking came on after two weeks but i was still driving it hoping that it will go away but no luck. so @49700 miles i took it back to BMW and they just changed the head yesterday. So lets hope that the cylinder head solves the problem because i am almost out of warranty.

buy the cpo package, just not the maintenance one

edit: i dont think you can buy the cpo since you bought it from a private dealer

[raihansdg]

Does it happen with the 335i? Or is it only with 328i

[ilia]

Originally Posted by raihansdg

Does it happen with the 335i? Or is it only with 328i

I don't know, but I hear a ticking noise when my car idles, but once I depress the clutch the noise is gone and I have a 335.

[raihansdg]

Any other 335i having the metallic ticking issue.



It does not make any sense. Why depressing the clutch will make the ticking disappear? Ofcourse, if the RPM goes up if you depress the clutch that might be an answer.

Originally Posted by woodnphilosfr

I don't know, but I hear a ticking noise when my car idles, but once I depress the clutch the noise is gone and I have a 335.

[ilia]

Originally Posted by raihansdg

Any other 335i having the metallic ticking issue.



It does not make any sense. Why depressing the clutch will make the ticking disappear? Ofcourse, if the RPM goes up if you depress the clutch that might be an answer.

I know it doesn't make sense, but that's what is going on. I will probably stop by the dealer to see if they can shed more light on the problem.

[SCA]

Originally Posted by woodnphilosfr

I don't know, but I hear a ticking noise when my car idles, but once I depress the clutch the noise is gone and I have a 335.

Ticking or more like a rattle? Maybe a bad throw out bearing?

[GrillZ]

So, I went to a used car lot today..... I've got some interesting stuff to discuss.

Well, I went the this lot initially to look at this one 2007 e92 328i with 65k miles on it. When the dealer let me start it, cold, I noticed a steady ticking sound in the engine. So, I was a bit sketchy knowing that engines are not "supposed" to tick. So I let it sit at idle for about 15 mins or so, and never stopped ticking.

So, I looked around a bit more and noticed another 2008 e92 328i with 46k miles on it. I started that one and it ticked as well, however the ticks on the higher mileage 2007 were slightly louder.

They also had one more 2007 e92 328i with 42k miles on it. It didn't tick at all. It just has your average engine purr sound with no "odd" ticking.


So, 3 of the same cars & engines, two ticked, one wasn't.

So I said to myself, something is wrong here let me go home and research a bit before I dive into one of these "ticking time bombs".
So I joined e90post and searched the word "ticking" and found this thread. So I'm posting my experiences from earlier today so someone could hopefully enlighten me on this ticking situation.
Because to some people it seems to be a "normal thing" and some people say "go fix it right away".
So I still couldn't find a straight answer even after reading the first 20 pages of this thread.

Thank you.
-Jordan, from South Florida.

[wootang_clan]

Originally Posted by wootang_clan

I'm having the exact same issue and played the mp3 file posted on this thread and it sounds dead on. I didn't even notice it until I read this thread. I said something to my SA (also referenced the service bulletin) and he said that he noticed it when I brought it in last week for something else. He said that he's going to take a look. I'm taking it in on Monday.

So is the fix for this head replacement or HVA exhaust lifters replacement or both?

I took my car into the Dealer yesterday and my SA told me that the lifters were replaced in February (I bought the car in March CPO) and awaiting BMWNA's response. I told him that doing some research, the next step should be head replacement. He just called and told me that BMW approved the head replacement.

When I get my car back tomorrow, I'll let you know how it sounds. Hopefully, no more ticking sound!

[raihansdg]

I got a 335i and it ticks. The dealer told me the service bulletin was not for my engine and they would not repair because according to them it is a usual noise that comes from the engine. Please advise they are so full of shit

[A4rings]

I took my o7 335i to the dealer for long cranks/half check engine light as well as the dreaded wastegate rattle. Now they call me a day later telling me they changes the software to fix the crank/engine light issue, but they can't replicate the rattling sound.

Come on, the rattle is soo clearly audible it's bulshit thati have to go back down there and argue with them. What's the most recent bulletin for the HPFP and what does it say to do? I want to show it to them because I think they either

1) changed the pump and are not telling me because it will be the 4th pump replaced on my 20k mile car

2) they reall. Did just reprogram it

Regardless I need to have them replace the pump so if someone could direct me to the most recent bulletin that would be great
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