[N55Jamaican]

[drallafi]

I've got an FBO N55 running Stage 2+ OTS map from Cobb.
For me, it's plenty of power so I don't need more of that, but I am wondering if the MHD maps will be more drive-able? I'd take a flatter, more predictable power curve over more power. Is that something we can expect?

[weehe126]

Originally Posted by stari335

Will this work on F series N55?

no

[JETmn]

Originally Posted by CantCatchMe

When you say surpass it potentially, are we talking about on stock turbo or upgraded turbo? I know we finally get things that Cobb never could support, but if I'm understanding we could break 400whp on a stock turbo?

I think he is talking about if they had the same sized turbo. The N55 should be able to make more power, but it hasn't been proven yet.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by YouAreMyWorld

Wedge, what kind of power are we possibly looking at when comparing both the N54 and N55 with stock snails? Are they now comparable?

I was lead to believe that the N55 stock snail was comparatively anemic, thus leading me to think that the turbo itself is smaller than what comes with the N55 M2. However I was recently made aware that this is false and that the turbo in the M2 is in fact the same.

Is this true? Are the turbo truly the same? If so, can we expect the same power/power curve with our E-Series N55 as in the M2? Has the unlocking of Valvetronic and VANOS systems allowed for more "untapped" power? With that said, can we expect an increase in stock snail power for the N55 than we're currently observing?

You can't compare the N54 and N55 as the N54 stock turbos just moves more air. But... with new turbo options, there is little holding us back going forward.

I can't comment on the M2. But rumor has it that Martial @ MHD will have one soon. ;-)

I'm sure I'll be able to crack 400 whp on my stock turbo N55, but it's not something I would recommend doing for those with stock turbo. Save your money and get a Pure Stg2. Hopefully we'll have more options to chose from in the future, but after finishing my stock turbo base maps, I'll be moving on to a Pure Stg2. Pure Turbos can talk more about other options they are working on for the N55 platform.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by drallafi

I've got an FBO N55 running Stage 2+ OTS map from Cobb.
For me, it's plenty of power so I don't need more of that, but I am wondering if the MHD maps will be more drive-able? I'd take a flatter, more predictable power curve over more power. Is that something we can expect?

COBB maps are really bad in my opinion. I think you'll really like the MHD option and the maps that we're producing.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by stari335

Will this work on F series N55?

You'll need to have the ECU unlocked. After that you can flash. Once that information is available, MHD will let everyone know.

[DOCTOR.Y]

So, on a complete stock DCT 135i, it gains to 330 WHP.

[Nipplebro]

Originally Posted by Eric_Y

So, on a complete stock DCT 135i, it gains to 330 WHP.

and full bolt ons and jb4+mhd will be like 400ish hp?

[nOEMm]

Originally Posted by Nipplebro

and full bolt ons and jb4+mhd will be like 400ish hp?

May be a dumb question...but why would you need your JB4 piggyback if you already have a flash tune with MHD??

[Nipplebro]

Originally Posted by nOEMm

May be a dumb question...but why would you need your JB4 piggyback if you already have a flash tune with MHD??

boost control

[Dekansnowman]

2011 E90 N55 here. Can't wait for this to be a thing. Currently FBO as well using Cobb Stage 2 +FMIC Agg and want more options. Will go for Pure Stage 2 soon, but looking to see what I can try in the meantime.

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[Turbod]

Originally Posted by nOEMm

May be a dumb question...but why would you need your JB4 piggyback if you already have a flash tune with MHD??

You don't NEED it. You can run flash only or both of them together. The JB4 would have on the fly map switching, gauge hijacking, meth, and port injection management. You can run external management for port injection or meth so it is not a requirement to have the JB4 if you are using either of the two. If you are a set it and forget it kind of person a conservative flash is what you would be looking for.

I personally haven't decided yet if I will ditch the JB4 once MHD comes out.

[CantCatchMe]

Originally Posted by Turbod

You don't NEED it. You can run flash only or both of them together. The JB4 would have on the fly map switching, gauge hijacking, meth, and port injection management. You can run external management for port injection or meth so it is not a requirement to have the JB4 if you are using either of the two. If you are a set it and forget it kind of person a conservative flash is what you would be looking for.

I personally haven't decided yet if I will ditch the JB4 once MHD comes out.

Just so some people know, you can limit boost in the first three gears on MHD. I assume the function will be available for the N55 as well.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by Eric_Y

So, on a complete stock DCT 135i, it gains to 330 WHP.

Depending on your fuel quality and rating, you can't put an actual number on the power until you tune the car. 330 whp shouldn't be out of the question for most.

Originally Posted by Nipplebro

and full bolt ons and jb4+mhd will be like 400ish hp?

I personally do not recommend the JB4. A proper flash tune will make the same power, be more consistent and smoother. So, the JB4 not required and in my opinion doesn't add any value. Map switching is a novelty and if you truly need to switch maps you will need to flash anyway. All of the other integration reasons people use to justify using it is also pointless and not required also.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by nOEMm

May be a dumb question...but why would you need your JB4 piggyback if you already have a flash tune with MHD??

I think people don't truly understand what's going on and get a false sense of security with the piggyback. Marketing plays a big role in that. For the N54 community, the JB4 customers had a discounted price which made it an easier decision to keep the JB4. That's not the case for the N55. The flash module will be more expensive and full featured as there won't be a JB4 only flash option. I think you'll really be impressed with the maps. I can't wait until additional features are included. So far my car is a blast to drive. DCT is super quick and the car is super smooth.

[jyamona]

Originally Posted by CantCatchMe

Just so some people know, you can limit boost in the first three gears on MHD. I assume the function will be available for the N55 as well.

You can limit boost individually in every gear if you use TunerPro

[philgli]

I am new to the flash vs piggyback vs stacking discussion so bear with me but...

Will this flash have the fuel gauge turns into boost gauge? Will it come with multiple maps out of the gate? If I already have a factory installed PPK, will it get overwritten? and finally, do I need some type of handheld device to swap maps (via the OBD port)?

thanks for helping a newb!

[jake1220]

Originally Posted by philgli

I am new to the flash vs piggyback vs stacking discussion so bear with me but...

Will this flash have the fuel gauge turns into boost gauge? Will it come with multiple maps out of the gate? If I already have a factory installed PPK, will it get overwritten? and finally, do I need some type of handheld device to swap maps (via the OBD port)?

thanks for helping a newb!

1. No it will not hijack any gauges.
2. It will come with a few OTS maps.
3. Yes it will get overwritten, but MHD allows you enable the ppk burbles if you wish.
4. You need a couple of cables and an Android or iOS device.

[nOEMm]

Originally Posted by jake1220

1. No it will not hijack any gauges.
2. It will come with a few OTS maps.
3. Yes it will get overwritten, but MHD allows you enable the ppk burbles if you wish.
4. You need a couple of cables and an Android or iOS device.

I was under the impression this will only be compatible with Android.

[jake1220]

Originally Posted by nOEMm

I was under the impression this will only be compatible with Android.

Yeah my mistake. I think it's Android only

[Turbod]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

So just so everyone understands, MHD looks at your latest assembly and if you have the PPK it will use the same PPK table defaults when you flash stage 0 map. If you don't change anything with the PPK exhaust tables, the burble stays and it sounds amazing.

Originally Posted by jake1220

3. Yes, it may be overwritten, but MHD allows you enable the ppk burbles if you wish.

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