[possible335i2008]

Well I just heard that since the n54 has a flux capacitor preventing the car from going back in time @ 88 miles an hour is a huge hurdle when tuning the dme...that must be the reason for the price increase.

[thatsosm]

Originally Posted by possible335i2008

Well I just heard that since the n54 has a flux capacitor preventing the car from going back in time @ 88 miles an hour is a huge hurdle when tuning the dme...that must be the reason for the price increase.

HAHA You are watching Back to the Future on AMC !!!!

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by alexosma

HAHA You are watching Back to the Future on AMC !!!!

I was... lol

[possible335i2008]

Got me!!! But that would explain the price difference..I mean think about it you wanna drive like a bat out hell the next thing you know you are in the 50's...bad for business

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Here we go with the bmw tax bullshit, cmon guys, development costs are the same for a ms3/6 civic subi evo whatever....

Whilst I agree there is a BMW tax on most products, I have to disagree that reverse engineering and development for the BMW is the same as a civic or subaru. How much more difficult is the development of the N54 tune? I have no idea, but I common sense would assume it's more difficult. Perhaps even more difficult with the N55 and the valvetronic.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Das Ein

Well lets see...

The STI/WRX/EVO/MS3...is $600

The GTR...is $1000


What do you wanna bet the 135/335/535 will be right in between... $800

I could realize the $1000 GT-R price tag, after all Ive only seen one on the road since its release.

[COBB Tuning]

It unfortunate the BMW ECU is far more complex than the any of the Japanese ECUs, even the "uncrackable" GT-R ECU. That being said our development time on the MSD8x has been 6 x longer than any other ECU we have ever cracked. I'm sorry this is seen as the "BMW Tax". I know the product will provide more benefit than its cost to our users.

Cheers,
Rob

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Whilst I agree there is a BMW tax on most products, I have to disagree that reverse engineering and development for the BMW is the same as a civic or subaru. How much more difficult is the development of the N54 tune? I have no idea, but I common sense would assume it's more difficult. Perhaps even more difficult with the N55 and the valvetronic.

Not exactly...
your telling me, every platform they made a tune for is 595-695 and the bmw has a nazi unbreakable ecu that requires more effort? lol no buying it.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by COBB Tuning

It unfortunate the BMW ECU is far more complex than the any of the Japanese ECUs, even the "uncrackable" GT-R ECU. That being said our development time on the MSD8x has been 6 x longer than any other ECU we have ever cracked. I'm sorry this is seen as the "BMW Tax". I know the product will provide more benefit than its cost to our users.

Cheers,
Rob

Originally Posted by Clap135

Not exactly...
your telling me, every platform they made a tune for is 595-695 and the bmw has a nazi unbreakable ecu that requires more effort? lol no buying it.

Looks like that is exactly the case.

[Clap135]

Your first mistake is believing vendors....but hey whatever floats your boat.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

You believe everything you read now? LOL

Hey guys I just ran 10's in the snow, believe me! I posted it!

[adrianBMW99]

Originally Posted by COBB Tuning

Hey Everyone,

1. The AP will have the capability to be installed and uninstalled at anytime from your own garage. We recommend uninstalling before going to the dealer.

This is the only thing I question. As much as I like Cobb Tuning and respect their efforts, does my own garage mean an install like any other tune having to go into the ECU and CanBUS wires or does it mean simple OBDII plug? I felt this would be the main advantage of the COBB AP, otherwise what's the point? 3 years late and almost no advantages? N55 development first would have been considerably wiser as that game has just began...

[atlharry]

Really guys... $800 (or somewhere between 600-1000) for the ability to tune your car, revert back to stock (REAL stock) with a handheld, not have to tool around the engine bay to remove piggybacks? That's too much?

EDIT: If it ends up that I have to tool around the engine bay anyways, then yes, I agree with adrianBMW99...

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Your first mistake is believing vendors....but hey whatever floats your boat.

Originally Posted by JPSlick

You believe everything you read now? LOL

Hey guys I just ran 10's in the snow, believe me! I posted it!

Obviously I am skeptical of everything that is said by people looking to sell something.

However, even if he is wayyy overexaggerating, and it was 2x as difficult to crack, that would still be significant. It doesn't seem unreasonable and farfetched that the N54 ECU is more complex and difficult than that of a 4G63 or 4G11.

[Clap135]

Well assuming it installs like any of their other flashes on other platforms, this will pretty much drive GIAC out of this community. if they price it at 595-695 and give atr for free liek they did to many others, imo this has the potential to driver any tune out of this market. Theres alot of "ifs" I just don't think they realize what they just step into....

[BrianMN]

What are the prices for GIAC flashes? Aren't they in the 1k range?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by atlharry

Really guys... $800 (or somewhere between 600-1000) for the ability to tune your car, revert back to stock (REAL stock) with a handheld, not have to tool around the engine bay to remove piggybacks? That's too much?

Well for people that dont have tunes, its up in the air.

For someone that has a tune they would need to offer something their current tune doesnt have....

For me, I'm already on my "2nd tune" and naturally lost money during this change but im in a better place.

To lose more money and go backwards or end up being =..... Hard to justify.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Meth integration wont be as smooth as it doesnt have analog inputs though. So wheres your meth safety coming in. People push this car hard and I wouldn't advance timing and run that much boost without one. I know for a fact as I have been involved in this and other platforms tuning on my own and development that some of the other platforms are more diffucult to tackle.

Irregardless competition is a good thing.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by atlharry

Really guys... $800 (or somewhere between 600-1000) for the ability to tune your car, revert back to stock (REAL stock) with a handheld, not have to tool around the engine bay to remove piggybacks? That's too much?

Please stop, people like you are the reason hpf charge 2k for straight pipes

[possible335i2008]

So using the logic of this vendor it could be deduced that our tune will cost more than the GTR'S because our ecu was more difficult to break....or will they be giving us a price break for no reason because its supposed to be between there standard cost and their premium cost. Sorry don't buy it and honestly I love to see new options but being over charged because we can afford a nice vehicle is silly...

[thegeneral101]

nice glad to have COBB on board

[Das Ein]

Originally Posted by atlharry

Really guys... $800 (or somewhere between 600-1000) for the ability to tune your car, revert back to stock (REAL stock) with a handheld, not have to tool around the engine bay to remove piggybacks? That's too much?

I didnt want to say this out loud (kinda like going into a car dealership and saying "I'll pay ANY price for the car I want, cause I want it!")...but $800 is a fair price IMO for everything the AccessPORT offers.

If I can tune my car in my garage, and switch to the TRUE stock program with the handheld...its a great deal. Plus it does an ish-load more!