[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by Philz BMW

true. You could have laser, radar, and jammers....and a plane could still nab you.

Which is why it is necessary to have an anti-aircraft gun mounted in your trunk.

[ZTZ1010]

Originally Posted by morfinx

I guess my case and my friend's case is a little bit different as we were both paced by cops (not at the same time, two separate occasions). No radar as we both had radar detectors. We both went to judges but neither got the ticket dropped, that's with my friend spending weeks researching defenses (including everything you listed and more). My theory is that the video footage from the cop's car would show how fast he was going and where we are relative to him.

I'm working for one of the commonwealth attorneys, and from what I've seen in traffic court (down in VA atleast because radar detectors are illegal), is that judges are more likely to simply take the word of a cop about speeding or driving related offenses if a radar detector is involved at all. Where a code may require more proof, if the offender doesn't know the code (as most people don't hire a lawyer in simple speeding situations unless there is a chance of loss of license), things go under the radar and people are found guilty. still run mine 24/7 in VA. tickets i've avoided are very well worth the possibility of getting a $100 ticket for being in possession of a radar detector, if he could prove after hitting my kill switch that the unit was connected to a power source

seems like detectors just piss everyone off more than anything else. similar up here (Connecticut), as I've had a harder time getting citations dropped once the cop told the judge I was running a detector. just be careful out there, and always pay attention to whats behind you

[Outlaw 06]

Don’t kid yourself. Just because your laser detector beeps a warning and you hit your brakes, doesn’t mean the detector “saved you”. The truth is that most speeders routinely go through police speed traps without getting pulled over - with or without detectors installed in their cars. People are just kidding themselves if they believe detectors are THE reason they didn’t get pulled over.

The truth is that the instant the police laser hits your car the LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging) unit calculates your speed, so by the time your laser detector beeps a warning it’s already too late (the laser beam travels at 186,000 miles per second, which is just a little bit faster than human beings can react). In other words, today’s automotive laser detectors are only useful for enriching the manufacturers and giving drivers a false sense of security.

I’m also very skeptical of those who claim that low-powered automotive LASER jammers are effective. Police “eye-safe” laser beams currently measure about 7 1/2 inches in radius at a 500 foot range. This beam is very difficult to detect and jam for a laser jammer mounted near a car’s front license plate, and it’s impossible for a windshield mounted jammer to even detect.

Unless you’re willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on military-style laser countermeasures, then a proper road scanning technique is your best defense against LIDAR speed traps (and are still the ONLY defense against VASCAR and pacing anyway).

[Coolieman1220]

Originally Posted by ZTZ1010

You don't need the HP setup, or to mount them vertically. I have mine mounted on each side of the center of my front bumper, bracketed to the mesh horizontally. Had the same setup on my E92 and it worked PERFECTLY. Mounting below the headlight is typically what you want, because when a LEO targets you, they often aim for the license plate or that area if you dont have one, so they're essentially shooting right towards your jammers if you mount them where I have mine.

you can't really see in the image, but I've circled where they're mounted.

I guess i'll go ahead and order and mount them there since a few of you guys say its all good! Also seen various other BMW models with the same setup.

Originally Posted by morfinx

I guess my case and my friend's case is a little bit different as we were both paced by cops (not at the same time, two separate occasions). No radar as we both had radar detectors. We both went to judges but neither got the ticket dropped, that's with my friend spending weeks researching defenses (including everything you listed and more). My theory is that the video footage from the cop's car would show how fast he was going and where we are relative to him.

if the cop doesn't have the video evidence in court, which i doubt he does he can't use it or refer to it.

Originally Posted by ZTZ1010

I'm working for one of the commonwealth attorneys, and from what I've seen in traffic court (down in VA atleast because radar detectors are illegal), is that judges are more likely to simply take the word of a cop about speeding or driving related offenses if a radar detector is involved at all. Where a code may require more proof, if the offender doesn't know the code (as most people don't hire a lawyer in simple speeding situations unless there is a chance of loss of license), things go under the radar and people are found guilty. still run mine 24/7 in VA. tickets i've avoided are very well worth the possibility of getting a $100 ticket for being in possession of a radar detector, if he could prove after hitting my kill switch that the unit was connected to a power source

seems like detectors just piss everyone off more than anything else. similar up here (Connecticut), as I've had a harder time getting citations dropped once the cop told the judge I was running a detector. just be careful out there, and always pay attention to whats behind you

Yeah i run my V1 in VA as well. its hardwired so they can't see it unless they look for it. i doubt they have many Spectre units scanning for it and its not easy to pick out one car out of many that is using it. When i was hit with laser, my V1 went off and since it wasn't hardwired since the car was 3 weeks old I took it down QUICK. my sister stuffed it in the glove box which i later had to open for registration and insurance. Not sure if he saw it or not but he didn't say anything.

Originally Posted by TJDiCandido

Don’t kid yourself. Just because your laser detector beeps a warning and you hit your brakes, doesn’t mean the detector “saved you”. The truth is that most speeders routinely go through police speed traps without getting pulled over - with or without detectors installed in their cars. People are just kidding themselves if they believe detectors are THE reason they didn’t get pulled over.

The truth is that the instant the police laser hits your car the LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging) unit calculates your speed, so by the time your laser detector beeps a warning it’s already too late (the laser beam travels at 186,000 miles per second, which is just a little bit faster than human beings can react). In other words, today’s automotive laser detectors are only useful for enriching the manufacturers and giving drivers a false sense of security.

I’m also very skeptical of those who claim that low-powered automotive LASER jammers are effective. Police “eye-safe” laser beams currently measure about 7 1/2 inches in radius at a 500 foot range. This beam is very difficult to detect and jam for a laser jammer mounted near a car’s front license plate, and it’s impossible for a windshield mounted jammer to even detect.

Unless you’re willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on military-style laser countermeasures, then a proper road scanning technique is your best defense against LIDAR speed traps (and are still the ONLY defense against VASCAR and pacing anyway).

Contrary to your belief a Laser Detector does work and does pick up Laser. Not just stray beams and that of adaptive cruise systems. If a laser is shot at your car it will pick it up. My V1 went off the last time i was shot with laser and caught. It also went off another time i was shot with laser. The time i was caught i was not locked on till 270 feet out. My V1 went off for laser way before that. I hit the brakes hard, he wasn't able to lock me for some time. Or maybe he had another car and i picked up some stray beams. enough for me to drop some speed. It's also nice to know when you're shot.

Jammers do work and detectors work as well. Road scanning ultimately is the best method but some electronic countermeasures do help!

[InsanePineapple]

Originally Posted by Coolieman1220

if the cop doesn't have the video evidence in court, which i doubt he does he can't use it or refer to it.

My point is, there is no electronic defenses against pacing. It's best to just keep your wits about you, scan in front and behind you at all times. I no longer run a radar detector. My Passport 8500 died a year ago, and I did not replace it.

[Outlaw 06]

Originally Posted by Coolieman1220

...Contrary to your belief a Laser Detector does work and does pick up Laser. Not just stray beams and that of adaptive cruise systems. If a laser is shot at your car it will pick it up. My V1 went off the last time i was shot with laser and caught. It also went off another time i was shot with laser. The time i was caught i was not locked on till 270 feet out. My V1 went off for laser way before that. I hit the brakes hard, he wasn't able to lock me for some time. Or maybe he had another car and i picked up some stray beams. enough for me to drop some speed. It's also nice to know when you're shot.

Jammers do work and detectors work as well. Road scanning ultimately is the best method but some electronic countermeasures do help!

I never said that laser detectors "don't work", I said that no human being can react by the time the police laser beam "spots" your car, sets off your detector, and travels back to the LIDAR unit at 186,000 miles per second (671 million MPH). It simply isn't possible for any human being to react faster than the speed of light (in fact, most humans can't even hit a 100 MPH fastball that they know is being pitched at them from 60 feet 6 inches away).

[B-737]

i just use flares... easier this way, but slightly more expensive.
2011 E92 - saved me a bunch of times on the garden state parkway. esp while driving home late at night

[Coolieman1220]

Originally Posted by TJDiCandido

I never said that laser detectors "don't work", I said that no human being can react by the time the police laser beam "spots" your car, sets off your detector, and travels back to the LIDAR unit at 186,000 miles per second (671 million MPH). It simply isn't possible for any human being to react faster than the speed of light (in fact, most humans can't even hit a 100 MPH fastball that they know is being pitched at them from 60 feet 6 inches away).

Yes but no one who knows about laser thinks that their laser detector will get them out of a ticket. You are right about it being "light" speed. Thats why the only way to get around laser is to get a jammer. once your detector detects it, it's too late. a jammer on the other hand, which is why i am looking into getting one. My reaction will be slow down and hit the kill switch...

Originally Posted by B-737

i just use flares... easier this way, but slightly more expensive.
2011 E92 - saved me a bunch of times on the garden state parkway. esp while driving home late at night

i don't understand... is this your method of countermeasure? because flares just make a lot of light. if thats the case, how bout a smoke screen? i already have a diesel, making smoke aint that hard!

[B-737]

Lol! I just run them after I think I've been radared or hit w lazer then take the next exit.

In all seriousness. The jammers, are they running in an "always on" system? So there is always a small jamming field around the front reflective pieces?

[bmw-nj]

I have the Laser Interceptor Generation 8 duals mounted in my grill in my 335. I had a professional shop cut the grills as they are worthless mounted behind them. They are the best on the market.

Avoid the 9500ci laser jammers as they are next to worthless.

Blinder is okay but far inferior to the Laser Interceptor.

Call Cliff the owner at Laser Interceptor and he will help you. Cliffs a really nice guy.

[AndreyT]

Originally Posted by morfinx

I guess my case and my friend's case is a little bit different as we were both paced by cops (not at the same time, two separate occasions).

Paced? You need to decide what you are talking about first.

The previous poster was talking about visual estimation, i.e. the cop basically stands on the side of the road and estimates the speed of passing cars "by naked eye" without using any technical equipment.

You are talking about pacing. Pacing is a term that specifically refers to a cop's car/motorcycle following the other car for an extended period of time. The cop uses his speedometer to determine the speed of the other car.

In other words pacing and visual estimation are two completely different things. AFAIK, pacing is used and recognized by the judges in all states with no exceptions (basically, there are exactly two methods universally accepted by the court: pacing and radar). Visual estimation is normally not accepted by the court. More precisely, in all states I checked a speeding case based on "visual estimation" will be thrown out of court (if you chose to try it, instead of just paying the ticket). Tickets based on "visual estimation" are usually written in a hope that you will just pay it. If you decide to try it in court, the cop usually will not even bother to appear.

However, the matter you should also take into the consideration is that in USA every time an "ordinary" driver tries to show off his/her knowledge of the traffic law, it is considered as an act directed against the System. In this country there's no greater offense than dissent against the System, no matter how small that dissent is. So, you shouldn't be surprised if the judge decides against you regardless of what the law says, regardless of whether you are right or wrong. Just so that you know your place.

[amullo]

Check this test out.. Done in April 2011
http://radartest.com/laser-jammer-test-2010.asp

Originally Posted by test

Test Conclusions

In overall laser-jamming performance, the Blinder M47 was clearly the better unit, jamming most lasers down to point-blank range. On larger vehicles, this extends to rear laser protection where the Blinder's twin jammer heads provided better coverage than the Escort Passport ZR4's single jammer head. For that matter, the Blinder M47 obviously displayed more latent jamming talent in the departing-target tests, even when we doubled the number of Escort ZR4 jammers in back.