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BMW Performance Power Kit now available for N54 engines (part #'s, price and diagram)
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08-19-2009, 11:59 AM | #89 |
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What is clear from this kit is a recongition by BMW that total engine cooling is insufficient. The fan, relay and supplemental radiator indicate to me that BMW views engine coolant to be the bigger concern (this also seems to be borne out by some race teams running N54's). A larger or supplemental oil cooler may help (and is necessary given the high oil temps we see on the track), but it may not address a larger cooling deficiency. The kit's and original engine design also indicates that they never intended oil to be a primary coolant, otherwise they would have addressed that in some way (i.e. bigger oil cooler standard on all cars). However, better cooling for the engine will have an incrimental benefit to oil temps (what that is, only experience will tell).
As for the argument on oil vs. water cooling, it is largely moot with this motor since the decision to rely primarily on water cooling has already been made and trying to alter that bias would be largely futile. And as for the Porsche comment, they changed to water cooling because they moved to multi-valve heads (944, 928, 996) which could not be effectively air cooled. Porsches still use oil as an effective means of keeping certain portions of the engine cool (lower-end bearings in particular). |
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08-19-2009, 12:06 PM | #90 | |
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It's funny you should comment on the likelihood of running both oil coolers (one on either side). I have been looking at the possibility of doing exactly this, but also changing the VK Motorwerks cooler (which is a Durale core) over to a Setrab unit which is rated higher in terms of cooling and capacity. I have some Setrab cores now on their way to the UK and I will be looking at this in depth when I get back. I'm still out here at the 'Ring - today's ambient temperature hit 34C, and track temperature was well into the 40sC. Running the car hard for a few consecutive laps brought the oil temp to just over 140C - too high for my liking. I'm thinking that a two-core oil cooler system, coupled with the higher-energy radiator fan from BMW, will do the trick. Incidentally, I have a slight issue with one of the main catalytic converters - it's starting to disintegrate, due to the extreme temperatures and performance I'm extracting from the car! So have just had delivered to Koblenz a set of 100 cell endurance race cats by HJS, and a Bastuck rear system (two tailpipes, not quads). Consequently, I'm staying out here for an extra day or two to get some laps in with the new system!!!
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08-19-2009, 12:39 PM | #91 |
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Stock cooling system is inadequate. High coolant temps begin to reduce power at 118C and if the temps still increase, the car limps. Additional or upgraded radiator is needed. This in turn helps in oil temps, but N54 driven hard still needs a big Setrab to keep oil alive a lot longer. So N54 driven very hard needs both water and oil cooler upgrades.
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08-19-2009, 12:44 PM | #92 |
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Wow!!!
e92fan, please keep us posted on your experiences. Give me a lift see my thump stuck out...there on the corner at the ring... I assume you are referring to the secondary cats disintegrating? Since your primary cats have been removed before!?? Like B3 Lux I am also considering a dual oil cooler setup with a larger radiator fan. With the kind of power and boost we are extracting from our cars we have to keep temps down (whether water or oil) for the sake of engine efficiency and engine longevity.
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As to the main cats, couldn't this also be due to the removal of the primary ones? That was one of the reasons I went with the catted version of the dps, but I'm not sure. As to the secondary cats, I've also considered that and believe that you're talking about this company, aren't you? I did not know they also had a product for the N54 available, as on their website they didn't mention that (but I didn't call them yet). I'd be curious about your results as well, as it's a step I've been considering, too (although not as a priority). Alpina_B3_Lux
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08-19-2009, 05:53 PM | #94 | |
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The AR Design additional oil cooler - you say it sits in front of the radiator. Does it obstruct airflow to the radiator, or more importantly to the intercooler below it? Does it take the air through the kidney grilles? I didn't realise it was located there - always thought it was still in the LHS wheel well. If that area is still free, then yes I'll install the additional BMW water radiator there, just to maximise the cooling potential. I'm sure I'll have to do a little fabricating for the ducting as I have a normal SE front bumper and not the MSport. The secondary cats are from HJS as you suspected - they don't do a specific one for the N54, however they judge their cats by cubic volume and efficiency, and there is a set of cats that fits perfectly, and increases catalyst efficiency by a considerable amount. Not cheap though, at 700 Euros, EACH...!!! Note that these are proper endurance race cats, not sport cats or sport replacements... there's a big difference in quality between the different ranges and brands available... And yes, thank you for the Bastuck experience - no time like the present to get involved!! Incidentally, I'm thinking of coming back to the 'Ring in October - 9th - 11/12th... book it in your diary and come along!! The car will be ready by then
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08-20-2009, 04:22 AM | #97 |
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:-( kit still not available in Sweden
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08-20-2009, 05:53 AM | #98 | |
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The cats are fully TUV approved and pass existing German emissions laws. They are expensive, but then that's because they are proper race cats and not cheap sports versions. Cat costs can vary hugely, from 200 Euros each up to 700 Euros for these ones. But the durability of these is amazing, and Team Schirmer have yet to replace a destroyed cat in any of their VLN race cars or road cars... And yes, you're right the 'Ring isn't open much that weekend... looks like it'll just be the Sunday for me then!!
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08-20-2009, 10:24 AM | #99 | |
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The ar cooler allows you to keep your stock or upgraded oil cooler so you would be running two. Mike |
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08-20-2009, 01:29 PM | #100 |
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Hi,
You're not going to believe what is the cost of the air channel set (at least in my area): $250 for 3 pieces of plastic !!! So add ~$200 to the price of the kit in US ! On the M-Sport sedan however (I believe the coupe can be done like this too), the air channels can be omitted because some radiator plate is included in the Power Kit (and not in the air channel kit) and instead of installing the air channels you just drill some holes into the brakes airduct channel in order for part of the air to escape to the right and enter the water radiator. But I ordered the proper channels...
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08-20-2009, 01:44 PM | #101 |
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cstavaru: Just so you know i placed my order for the power kit today...will keep you posted but if yours arrive first, please post some pics BEFORE you install so that the community can see what this mystery is about.
I think B3 Lux and e92fan are just boasting and making us jealous... i should rather invest in a private jet to close the gap to Germany and the Ring instead of the bmw power kit
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08-20-2009, 06:49 PM | #102 | |
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Just to encourage you to invest in that private jet... From May 2009 From August 2009
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08-20-2009, 07:46 PM | #104 |
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I'm consistently lapping at 8:10, so yes I'm giving the car some grief!! And I've done over 150 laps of the 'Ring in just this particular car...!
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08-21-2009, 02:19 AM | #106 |
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Brilliant pictures!!!! Thanks man...my new screen saver.
WOW!!!!!
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08-21-2009, 04:37 PM | #107 | |
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Damn! look at that elevation change. Love it. I wonder how it compares to LS-Corkscrew
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08-22-2009, 08:10 AM | #108 |
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Just called the dealer and the kit isn't available yet.
The parts rep knew of the kit.He has a 335 and may go with it.He didn't know when it will be available. BTW,I mentioned that I've read that BWM will introduce new service software to detecting Tunes and he said yes,he's heard that too. |
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08-22-2009, 10:41 AM | #109 |
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Wow, a performance mod I would actually consider. Cannot wait until further US specs are available.
Had the factory performance option on a previous car that was night and day different with a stock model. Based upon the European spec, this sounds like it would be fairly similar. I want more useable power approaching the redline, not the flat-spot that my E93 has now.
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