Just watched this again

beemerbird · 05-04-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dxb335d

Beemerbird, i am not talking the M5board vids. Im talking about the Drivers republic vid, with chris harris.

Stevie A post it again mate.

Lol...........I'm going to have sell the Porka...........that's it.

Sometimes I wish you were a football supporter Carlos.

Oli - it's not a BMW, don't you get it.

dxb335d · 05-04-2009, 02:13 PM

Lets set it up.

Get an E90 M3 owner and also a Litchy and get them to brunters for a 60 roll race.

Through in an M6 also for good measure. Then an LP640 to show them all a good hiding.

dxb335d · 05-04-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beemerbird

Lol...........I'm going to have sell the Porka...........that's it.

Sometimes I wish you were a football supporter Carlos.

why is that?

foxy-367 · 05-04-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dxb335d

Just like a 330bhp ED30 Gti, walks a RS4 rolling which has nearly 100bhp more... Power sappers those 4wd trannies.

The lads gotta point! The video which got VTEC abuser banned.

but.... Surely if both cars were in the correct gear so that they are either on cam or in the torque zone then it wouldn't be as clear cut would it, surely the transmission losses wouldn't be that great would they? A 1.9tdi golf can walk away from me on the motorway at rolling speeds if I'm not in the torque band yet I have more ponies and more twist

Oli · 05-04-2009, 02:39 PM

Its all about power to weight ratio, which is what I have been trying to say - The Modded ED30 has approx 330BHP and weighs 1350 kgs - 244BHP per ton, the RS4 avant, 414BHP and wieighs 1710 kgs - 242BHP per ton, chuck in DSG, and its all simple really.

A customer/friend of mine has an Ed30, that I have modded for him in the same way as Vtec abusers - TB Milltek, map, cold air intake, Eibachs and DSG - It is a seriously fast car - We have done some runs together, yesterday in fact, and it was very close, but no easliy pulling away in anyones favour, but he was by himeself, and I was 4 up. The RS4 that Vetc abuser video shows, must have been a 'slow one', has there seems to be such a large variance in the RS4 FSI engine output.

foxy-367 · 05-04-2009, 03:53 PM

You'd be a bit cheesed off if you spent a load of cash on an RS4 to find it was at the bottom end of the variance scale!

Oli · 05-04-2009, 03:58 PM

Mine was!!! Only to code read it and find the MAF was faulty, all replaced under warranty and going fine now though.

The RS4 wasn't the World Performance Car of the Year 2007 for nothing you know.....

dxb335d · 05-05-2009, 05:09 AM

Going off Vtec's quartermile, he only just beats the RS4, due to the great launch the rs4 can achieve, on the roll it would muller them as his vid shows.

Oli your mates one must be low powered?

Id expect to run a RS4 on the road. The quarter usually 13.3-13.4@103.

Oli · 05-05-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dxb335d

Oli your mates one must be low powered?

Or my car is making good figures........

alcook · 05-05-2009, 04:38 PM

But medium speed rolling figures are all about torque... BHP only kicks in again higher up when drag needs power...

That's why my 286 BHP beat 380 because I had 420 Ft Lbs and he had 370 ish with much higher transmission losses..

foxy-367 · 05-07-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by beemerbird

That's what I meant ie. blipping the throttle and switching off. I certainly don't leave mine idling after normal running, however immediately after a spirited drive I would allow the turbos to spool down for a few seconds or as you say drive normally so to speak. Last Saturday funningly enough this came to pass after Tony and I found some open road lol.

I've asked the OPC about this and they said it's far less of a problem with todays modern engines and associated technology.

You got me thinking about this with efficient dynamics when you pull up at traffic lights take it out of gear the engine cuts out. If you'd been caning it for the last half hour say then pulled up at a set of lights the engine cuts out all of a sudden your cooking the oil in the turbo. Then I thought yeah but diesels don't run quite so hot and the 335i doesn't cut the engine.

But the Mini cooper s and s works are turbo and have the same thing so they must have reduced the problem otherwise they wouldn't have fitted it to the cooper s and cooper s works.

Sorry I've been thinking about this since I read your original post!

M3-FAST · 05-07-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by foxy-367

You got me thinking about this with efficient dynamics when you pull up at traffic lights take it out of gear the engine cuts out. If you'd been caning it for the last half hour say then pulled up at a set of lights the engine cuts out all of a sudden your cooking the oil in the turbo. Then I thought yeah but diesels don't run quite so hot and the 335i doesn't cut the engine.

But the Mini cooper s and s works are turbo and have the same thing so they must have reduced the problem otherwise they wouldn't have fitted it to the cooper s and cooper s works.

Sorry I've been thinking about this since I read your original post!

The start stop function is limited by a number of factors though I believe (engine too hot or too cold, air con demands, battery charge level, etc) - If there are factors that make it a 'poor idea' to stop the engine at that time, it will continue to run.

foxy-367 · 05-07-2009, 03:36 PM

ooh now thats clever! I knew it did it for the aircon and what not but to avoid cooking the oil in the turbo! I can't cope with this fangled technology!!!!

beemerbird · 05-07-2009, 03:45 PM

Foxy - you got me thinking after I read your post and was scratching the old grey matter a bit, but then Paul has given a good explanation I'd say.

SiKkBaSs · 05-08-2009, 08:39 AM

Anti-lagggggggggggg

dxb335d · 05-08-2009, 09:28 AM

My fiesta turbo flames bigger than that LOL.

Suits scoobs and RS's, dont suit nowt else. Bit chavvy.

G33 · 05-08-2009, 10:50 AM

DXB bet u were a propa rude boy in your youth

SiKkBaSs · 05-08-2009, 11:12 AM

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DXB bet u were a propa rude boy in your youth

He dropped the girls' panties as his Fords went past em

Zk1 · 05-08-2009, 12:31 PM

no, no, no , no ,no . you cant do a like for like comparison on that scale as putting exotica against bull shittery, scooby with porsche brakes and other bits vs std car.
If thats the case, brabus rocket, G power M5, Gpower M3 E9X, Brabham M3, RD's 335i.
Sorry if price for price comparison in its league are omitted, whare are the greats, Skyline R35 GTR, ?? , My point being this car is not standard !. lightweight doesnt = great handling - rant over

SiKkBaSs · 05-10-2009, 12:14 PM

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Oli Campervan man 94 Rep 2,667 Posts Drives: RS3 and VW Kombi Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: here, there, everywhere...... iTrader: (1)	Its all about power to weight ratio, which is what I have been trying to say - The Modded ED30 has approx 330BHP and weighs 1350 kgs - 244BHP per ton, the RS4 avant, 414BHP and wieighs 1710 kgs - 242BHP per ton, chuck in DSG, and its all simple really. A customer/friend of mine has an Ed30, that I have modded for him in the same way as Vtec abusers - TB Milltek, map, cold air intake, Eibachs and DSG - It is a seriously fast car - We have done some runs together, yesterday in fact, and it was very close, but no easliy pulling away in anyones favour, but he was by himeself, and I was 4 up. The RS4 that Vetc abuser video shows, must have been a 'slow one', has there seems to be such a large variance in the RS4 FSI engine output.
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