[SiKkBaSs]

Wouldn't mind testing this out...

0-60 3.8 secs

Yes it looks like a chav car but the performance is there. Quite impressive if you think about it. Truly a supercar beater. And technically it ain't a Scooby.

Wonder what the 1/4 mile on this is?? Any ideas

[dxb335d]

It will be very quick over the 1/4mile due to the 4wd..

id say low 12's at 110-112mph.

A E9X M3 will out run it easily on a roll.

[SiKkBaSs]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

It will be very quick over the 1/4mile due to the 4wd..

id say low 12's at 110-112mph.

A E9X M3 will out run it easily on a roll.

Oh really, why's that?

[Geoffo]

I'm not a big Scooby fan, but I'd certainly be tempted with this..

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by lightweight

Oh really, why's that?

The M3 struggles to put its power down (rwd) and does high 12's low 13's 1/4mile due to this.

The Seberio can be launched like a hound, and has tremendous grip off the line (4wd) and is able to post such a quick 0-60 and 1/4mile time.


On a roll 40mph for example, the Subarus obvious standing start advantage is no longer there, the M3 with the same power and 2 less wheels being driven (Bigget power loss at the wheels for the 4wd scoob) will then pull away.

Another member on here Alcook has kept up with a 380bhp scoob with a standard 335d due to this.

I to when standard lived with a FQ360 (Just about from a rolling start)

A tuned 335, diesel or petrol would walk away from one on a rolling start.

[Zk1]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

The M3 struggles to put its power down (rwd) and does high 12's low 13's 1/4mile due to this.

The Seberio can be launched like a hound, and has tremendous grip off the line (4wd) and is able to post such a quick 0-60 and 1/4mile time.


On a roll 40mph for example, the Subarus obvious standing start advantage is no longer there, the M3 with the same power and 2 less wheels being driven (Bigget power loss at the wheels for the 4wd scoob) will then pull away.

Another member on here Alcook has kept up with a 380bhp scoob with a standard 335d due to this.

I to when standard lived with a FQ360 (Just about from a rolling start)

A tuned 335, diesel or petrol would walk away from one on a rolling start.

Yeah !

[SiKkBaSs]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

The M3 struggles to put its power down (rwd) and does high 12's low 13's 1/4mile due to this.

The Seberio can be launched like a hound, and has tremendous grip off the line (4wd) and is able to post such a quick 0-60 and 1/4mile time.


On a roll 40mph for example, the Subarus obvious standing start advantage is no longer there, the M3 with the same power and 2 less wheels being driven (Bigget power loss at the wheels for the 4wd scoob) will then pull away.

Another member on here Alcook has kept up with a 380bhp scoob with a standard 335d due to this.

I to when standard lived with a FQ360 (Just about from a rolling start)

A tuned 335, diesel or petrol would walk away from one on a rolling start.

Wow Carl I actually learned something from your post. Can you post like this more often




BTW what's the physics behind the bit in bold...why is power lost through 4 wheels rather than 2...yes n00b

[SoCalTech]

More drive train loss through the transfer case and front diff.

[foxy-367]

Originally Posted by Geoffo318

I'm not a big Scooby fan, but I'd certainly be tempted with this..

I have always loved them from the McRae days, being a bobble hat weaing rally fan! You've gotta love the flat four burble from them too.

Problem is they draw a bit too much attention and they have the interior of a 1983 toyota corolla!

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by lightweight

Wow Carl I actually learned something from your post. Can you post like this more often




BTW what's the physics behind the bit in bold...why is power lost through 4 wheels rather than 2...yes n00b

To to the 4 wheels actually being driven, all 4 translate power to the tarmac therefore take up there share of the power through drag and mechanical movement.

A 2wd car has only two wheels being driven, the other two are either being pulled (fwd) or pushed (rwd) and are just rolling and not taking up power.

So two cars with 414bhp at the flywheel will have different power outputs at the wheels if one is 2wd and the other 4wd

For example the 2wd could have a loss of 18% through the transmission to the wheels and will have 339bhp at the wheels..

The 4wd car with 25% loss for example, (even having the same flywheel/factory figure) will have 311bhp at the wheels.

[SiKkBaSs]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

To to the 4 wheels actually being driven, all 4 translate power to the tarmac therefore take up there share of the power through drag and mechanical movement.

A 2wd car has only two wheels being driven, the other two are either being pulled (fwd) or pushed (rwd) and are just rolling and not taking up power.

So two cars with 414bhp at the flywheel will have different power outputs at the wheels if one is 2wd and the other 4wd

For example the 2wd could have a loss of 18% through the transmission to the wheels and will have 339bhp at the wheels..

The 4wd car with 25% loss for example, (even having the same flywheel/factory figure) will have 311bhp at the wheels.

Cheers...thanks for the info. Makes lots more sense now.

[dxb335d]

2wd FTW.


Thats why the M6 pulverises (well not quite but pulls away gently from) a 911 turbo on a rolling start, which from a standing start would MULLER the M6.

[Steve A]

Carl. its not quite as simple as that though. Gearing on any particular car can have just as much effect on acceleration in the real world. Also aerodynamics contributes to a lesser effect.

So JUST because they have the same power doesnt ALWAYS mean 2wd ftw.

[Oli]

Originally Posted by Steve A

Carl. its not quite as simple as that though. Gearing on any particular car can have just as much effect on acceleration in the real world. Also aerodynamics contributes to a lesser effect.

So JUST because they have the same power doesn't ALWAYS mean 2wd ftw.

Agreed Steve, plus the fact that it is very highly geared, purely for acceleration. And also it is probably at least 200kg's lighter than anything mentioned, and has adjustable front, rear and centres diffs so the power is regulated to each wheel, need I go on.

In all situations that Litchfield is a staggering fast car, it has 415BHP FFS.

None of the cars will leave it standing, even on a rolling start, all will be very evenly matched, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Litchfield was fastest. Chuck in some corners, and a bit of dampness, and its goodbye.

A very good friend of mine has a 400+BHP lightweight Scooby, and it is just one of the fast cars I've been in, feels like its literally peeling the tyres off the rims. Its so much faster than the RS4 as long as the turbo is wound up - which is one of the reasons that I not a big fan myself, I like a nice big V8 and a big fat torque line.

Just my tuppence....

[E92Fan]

Originally Posted by Steve A

Carl. its not quite as simple as that though. Gearing on any particular car can have just as much effect on acceleration in the real world. Also aerodynamics contributes to a lesser effect.

So JUST because they have the same power doesnt ALWAYS mean 2wd ftw.

Originally Posted by Oli

Agreed Steve, plus the fact that it is very highly geared, purely for acceleration. And also it is probably at least 200kg's lighter than anything mentioned, and has adjustable front, rear and centres diffs so the power is regulated to each wheel, need I go on.

In all situations that Litchfield is a staggering fast car, it has 415BHP FFS.

None of the cars will leave it standing, even on a rolling start, all will be very evenly matched, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Litchfield was fastest. Chuck in some corners, and a bit of dampness, and its goodbye.

A very good friend of mine has a 400+BHP lightweight Scooby, and it is just one of the fast cars I've been in, feels like its literally peeling the tyres off the rims. Its so much faster than the RS4 as long as the turbo is wound up - which is one of the reasons that I not a big fan myself, I like a nice big V8 and a big fat torque line.

Just my tuppence....

Agree with both of you... that Litchfield 25 is crazily quick and as long as it's on song I think it would show very well against M3s and the like...

[dxb335d]

Anyone got any track times for it to compare with the m3?

[Black Sapphire]

This help?!

Evo Magazine Bedford West Circuit Lap times
McLaren F1 - 1:21.20
Ferrari Enzo - 1:21.30
Subaru Impreza Type-25 - 1:22.25
Lotus Exige S - 1:22.40
Ford GT - 1:22.75

BMW M3 Sedan (E90) 1:26.20

Other Previous Times of note:
Koenigsegg CCX - 1:22.30
Lamborghini Gallardo MY06 - 1:22.80
Porsche 911 (997) Turbo - 1:23.55
Mitsubishi Evo IX FQ340 - 1:24.55
Audi RS4 - 1:28.25
BMW M3 CS - 1:29.80

[dxb335d]

Im amazed that an m3 is anywhere near an enzo let alone 5 seconds away.
SO the lighter subaru is quicker around a track.

Still think rolling start the m3 would win...

[Black Sapphire]

well Evo magazine fitted a prodrive pack to their new hatchback STI Impreza and took it to 325bhp (not sure of torque) and it recorded a 3.9secs 30-70mph
Compared with 3.7secs for the M3.

Type 25:
415bhp @ 6,500rpm (400bhp from 5,800rpm − 7,000rpm)
570Nm / 420lbft @ 3,800rpm (300lbft from 3,000rpm)
8,000rpm Redline
304bhp/ton
0−60mph in 3.7sec
0−100mph in 8.7sec

Still think the M3 would win?

[Oli]

Looking at those figures it would annihilate M3's and the like. The Litchfield is quite a bit more 'special' that your average fast Subaru. The fact that it is nearly as quick as an Enzo, and F1, shows the league that its in - I want one (just couldn't live with it day to day and the looks)

[Steve A]

Originally Posted by Black Sapphire

well Evo magazine fitted a prodrive pack to their new hatchback STI Impreza and took it to 325bhp (not sure of torque) and it recorded a 3.9secs 30-70mph
Compared with 3.7secs for the M3.

Type 25:
415bhp @ 6,500rpm (400bhp from 5,800rpm − 7,000rpm)
570Nm / 420lbft @ 3,800rpm (300lbft from 3,000rpm)
8,000rpm Redline
304bhp/ton
0−60mph in 3.7sec
0−100mph in 8.7sec

Still think the M3 would win?

Game, Set and Match.

[foxy-367]

Originally Posted by Oli

Looking at those figures it would annihilate M3's and the like. The Litchfield is quite a bit more 'special' that your average fast Subaru. The fact that it is nearly as quick as an Enzo, and F1, shows the league that its in - I want one (just couldn't live with it day to day and the looks)

Maybe as a 2nd car when I win the lottery!

I agree about transmission losses but the fact that the Impreza is turbo'd if it was in the right gear no matter what the rolling start it would outstrip the M3.

For information the lap times at Bedford are fast laps not Top Gear type standing start lap times. Imprezas have always been renowned for being a flattering car no matter who's driving as Plato says you could give it your granny and she could drive fast!

Problem with cars of this ilk the Max Power brigade get hold of them and ruin the image which is a shame