Pictures of the Damage

Bimmer This · 06-12-2011, 11:08 PM

About 90 ft lbs.

Dackz · 06-12-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer This

About 90 ft lbs.

Good to know, Im gonna check mine this week (gotta get the tool from my buddies dad).

Bimmer This · 06-12-2011, 11:13 PM

Make sure that the torque wrench has been calibrated. Yes, torque wrenches needs tune-ups also.

16M4 · 06-12-2011, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aleckzandr

I've ~never~ heard of a wheel ~not~ rolling away in a situation like that. (The reason why I wrote my first comment: I didn't "see" what I didn't believe.) Kudos to you for good driving.

It was a miracle. it was not our time to die. I'm still shock everytime I think back of what happened. Definitely not a fun time.

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Originally Posted by spdy330

Wow, could have been worse. Glad you are all okay.

Thank you. I'm glad we are all ok. Car can easily be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Bimmer This

Atleast you two are okay. Let me know if I can help in anyway Alfred!

Thanks, V!

IN54NITY · 06-12-2011, 11:22 PM

88 ft-lbs, to be exact. I just heard my wrench click 40 times tonight with my two cars. Net result: Found two loose lug nuts on the Jeep!

16M4 · 06-12-2011, 11:24 PM

Lol everyone should go out now and tighten their lugnuts

IN54NITY · 06-12-2011, 11:31 PM

LOL. I'll have to post the image up later, can't right now with iPhone.

http://www.despair.com/mis24x30prin.html

16M4 · 06-12-2011, 11:36 PM

Lol very funny, alex.

raceyBMW · 06-12-2011, 11:38 PM

DAMN Alfred, that is crazy. Sure looks like some overtorqued lugs...awesome that you were able to get it pulled over without too much of an incident.

88ft-lbs +/-10lbs on the E9x (and pretty much any BMW from like '95 on). Always good to tighten once, then come back after a drive and finish it off after you switch out wheels. After they heat up they can loosen slightly and may need a final click or two.

Xiaofeng · 06-13-2011, 12:47 AM

Holy crap! Just saw this right now. Really glad you and Ewelina are doing okay. Sorry to see the damaged car though. At least the wheel got caught in the wheel well instead of dislodging. What a fortunate turn of events to a very unfortunate circumstance.

Again, just glad you two are okay. Good luck in dealing with Discount Tire.

AlpineSwift · 06-13-2011, 01:50 AM

When I worked at discount, there were only 3 people allowed to work on the european makes that came in. 2 were managers and then myself because we all own euro cars. The problem is that most of the technicians they hire are either right out of high school, still in high school, or don't know their head from their ass period.

Glad you're ok and it isn't worse than it was.

16M4 · 06-13-2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by raceyBMW

DAMN Alfred, that is crazy. Sure looks like some overtorqued lugs...awesome that you were able to get it pulled over without too much of an incident.

88ft-lbs +/-10lbs on the E9x (and pretty much any BMW from like '95 on). Always good to tighten once, then come back after a drive and finish it off after you switch out wheels. After they heat up they can loosen slightly and may need a final click or two.

What can I say? I'm an excellent driver

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Originally Posted by Xiaofeng

Holy crap! Just saw this right now. Really glad you and Ewelina are doing okay. Sorry to see the damaged car though. At least the wheel got caught in the wheel well instead of dislodging. What a fortunate turn of events to a very unfortunate circumstance.

Again, just glad you two are okay. Good luck in dealing with Discount Tire.

Thank you. We all should be careful driving now. You never know what would happen to your cars.

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Originally Posted by AlpineSwift

When I worked at discount, there were only 3 people allowed to work on the european makes that came in. 2 were managers and then myself because we all own euro cars. The problem is that most of the technicians they hire are either right out of high school, still in high school, or don't know their head from their ass period.

Glad you're ok and it isn't worse than it was.

What kind of outcome should I expect when dealing with Discount Tire about this issue?

Bimmer This · 06-13-2011, 07:45 AM

The thing is that you've already put 2K miles it. They are going to say that if they did something wrong, it would have happens sooner.

16M4 · 06-13-2011, 07:52 AM

That is if the lugnuts were loose. I think if they were too tight, they were stressed over time. I just can't justify how all the lugnuts broke at the same time (without any kind of indications that the wheel was loose).

Bimmer This · 06-13-2011, 10:09 AM

Yeah, but it's weird that all your lug nuts would break at the same time.

ar design III · 06-13-2011, 12:55 PM

Discount tire did this to our truck. All of a sudden our rear wheel passed us by while we were trailering our snowmobiles back from the mountain house. They used Metric nuts on a Chevy Truck.

I had the exact same thing that happened to you happen to me on my M3. Peerless tire crossthreaded my lug bolts into my hub and luckily I had a slight vibration/squirelyness and decided to take back roads to work so I could get on lift and figure out what was wrong. 100ft after onramp CLUNK, rear wheel is sitting way up in the wheel well and rotor is digging a groove in my rear wheel.

Luckily I had a spare rear hub and did not even deal with peerless tire. Unfortunately for you, you may have to go through the hassle of discount tire. It took them a few months but on our truck we got new brakes, axles, driveshaft, rear diff etc from all of the damage. Plus I get front of the line every time I go there now

AlpineSwift · 06-13-2011, 01:12 PM

Depends on how big of a dick head the manager is. Each GM is different but typically their policy on this sort of issue is if the customer proves without a doubt that Discount is at fault, they will warranty their work and replace everything free of charge.

I know this, because we had a Cayenne come back with a flat tire after we had just replaced all 4. Found the air sensor was not properly secured. That's when we ended up implementing that the managers and myself be the only ones to touch the euro cars. Too much at risk for a newbie to be fucking with a $75,000 vehicle.

raceyBMW · 06-13-2011, 01:43 PM

If the lugs were loose, they would have fallen out, not sheared off...unless like 3 of them were lose and fell out and then the last 2 sheared or something since they couldn't take the weight.

And yes Alfred, you gained a couple man points by getting this to the side of the road safely.

16M4 · 06-13-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chris @ ar design

Discount tire did this to our truck. All of a sudden our rear wheel passed us by while we were trailering our snowmobiles back from the mountain house. They used Metric nuts on a Chevy Truck.

I had the exact same thing that happened to you happen to me on my M3. Peerless tire crossthreaded my lug bolts into my hub and luckily I had a slight vibration/squirelyness and decided to take back roads to work so I could get on lift and figure out what was wrong. 100ft after onramp CLUNK, rear wheel is sitting way up in the wheel well and rotor is digging a groove in my rear wheel.

Luckily I had a spare rear hub and did not even deal with peerless tire. Unfortunately for you, you may have to go through the hassle of discount tire. It took them a few months but on our truck we got new brakes, axles, driveshaft, rear diff etc from all of the damage. Plus I get front of the line every time I go there now

Good to know this has happened to others

I don't feel alone now.

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Originally Posted by AlpineSwift

Depends on how big of a dick head the manager is. Each GM is different but typically their policy on this sort of issue is if the customer proves without a doubt that Discount is at fault, they will warranty their work and replace everything free of charge.

I know this, because we had a Cayenne come back with a flat tire after we had just replaced all 4. Found the air sensor was not properly secured. That's when we ended up implementing that the managers and myself be the only ones to touch the euro cars. Too much at risk for a newbie to be fucking with a $75,000 vehicle.

I went to Discount Tire and the manager didn't even sound surprised

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Originally Posted by raceyBMW

If the lugs were loose, they would have fallen out, not sheared off...unless like 3 of them were lose and fell out and then the last 2 sheared or something since they couldn't take the weight.

And yes Alfred, you gained a couple man points by getting this to the side of the road safely.

Yea, which is not the case in my situation. All lugnuts were completely broke.
Thanks for the man points

Dackz · 06-13-2011, 02:27 PM

So they are taking care of it for you?

16M4 · 06-13-2011, 04:08 PM

Not sure, Dave. This is only the first step in the process.

16M4 · 06-13-2011, 07:07 PM

Update: I went back to Discount Tire today after work to talk to the manager again. He got the approval from his corporate office to replace all the damaged items on the car because of this incident. He will be ordering a new wheel and tire tomorrow

An adjuster from Discount Tire will also come by my house soon to take a look at the car and see if anything else was damaged. If so, they will also take care of the other damaged items!

In the meantime, they will provide me with Nitto 555's to mount on my stock wheels so the car will not be parked in the garage while waiting for the wheel to arrive (even though I told him it wasn't necessary).

I'm glad Discount Tire is not giving me a hard time about this issue!

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IN54NITY Major nutz 86 Rep 1,488 Posts Drives: '09 n54 e92xi, 6mt, kw v3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Colorado, USA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 335xi [8.89]	88 ft-lbs, to be exact. I just heard my wrench click 40 times tonight with my two cars. Net result: Found two loose lug nuts on the Jeep! __________________ KWs - Vorshlags - APEX EC-7s - "My garage" has suspension install pictures. _____________________
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IN54NITY Major nutz 86 Rep 1,488 Posts Drives: '09 n54 e92xi, 6mt, kw v3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Colorado, USA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 335xi [8.89]	LOL. I'll have to post the image up later, can't right now with iPhone. http://www.despair.com/mis24x30prin.html __________________ KWs - Vorshlags - APEX EC-7s - "My garage" has suspension install pictures. _____________________
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16M4 Colonel 131 Rep 2,978 Posts Drives: 2016 SO M4 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Broomfiled, CO iTrader: (5)	Lol very funny, alex.
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06-12-2011, 11:38 PM	#31
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Xiaofeng Captain 35 Rep 712 Posts Drives: 2007.5 E90 335xi Montego/Lemon Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Colorado iTrader: (1) Garage List 2007 E90 335xi [0.00] 1991 325iX [0.00]	Holy crap! Just saw this right now. Really glad you and Ewelina are doing okay. Sorry to see the damaged car though. At least the wheel got caught in the wheel well instead of dislodging. What a fortunate turn of events to a very unfortunate circumstance. Again, just glad you two are okay. Good luck in dealing with Discount Tire. __________________
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AlpineSwift Colonel 77 Rep 2,114 Posts Drives: 2008 335Xi Coupé Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Castle Rock, CO iTrader: (3)	When I worked at discount, there were only 3 people allowed to work on the european makes that came in. 2 were managers and then myself because we all own euro cars. The problem is that most of the technicians they hire are either right out of high school, still in high school, or don't know their head from their ass period. Glad you're ok and it isn't worse than it was. __________________ E92 '08 335Xi 6AT - Cobb AP3 Tuned by MAC Autosport, Original Prototype Xi DOCRace 6266 Single Turbo Swap, VRSF CP w/Synapse BOV, VRSF 7" FMIC, BMS Cowl, H&R Coilovers, Renn Motorsport RS-51's, Stoptech Stage 2 Slotted, xHP Stage 3, Earl's Racing Oil Cooler, Turner Boost Gauge, M3 Lip Spoiler. Standing Mile Record Holder for Xi over a mile high: 168.2MPH @ 5512'; The Colorado Mile hosted by The US Mile.
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Bimmer This Major General 99 Rep 6,473 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW 335i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Westminster iTrader: (3)	The thing is that you've already put 2K miles it. They are going to say that if they did something wrong, it would have happens sooner.
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16M4 Colonel 131 Rep 2,978 Posts Drives: 2016 SO M4 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Broomfiled, CO iTrader: (5)	That is if the lugnuts were loose. I think if they were too tight, they were stressed over time. I just can't justify how all the lugnuts broke at the same time (without any kind of indications that the wheel was loose).
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06-13-2011, 10:09 AM	#37
Bimmer This Major General 99 Rep 6,473 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW 335i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Westminster iTrader: (3)	Yeah, but it's weird that all your lug nuts would break at the same time.
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ar design III Major 35 Rep 1,003 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: 955 Decatur St, Unit R, Denver, CO 80204 iTrader: (2) Garage List '01 M3 [10.00] 95 M3 Turbo [9.00]	Discount tire did this to our truck. All of a sudden our rear wheel passed us by while we were trailering our snowmobiles back from the mountain house. They used Metric nuts on a Chevy Truck. I had the exact same thing that happened to you happen to me on my M3. Peerless tire crossthreaded my lug bolts into my hub and luckily I had a slight vibration/squirelyness and decided to take back roads to work so I could get on lift and figure out what was wrong. 100ft after onramp CLUNK, rear wheel is sitting way up in the wheel well and rotor is digging a groove in my rear wheel. Luckily I had a spare rear hub and did not even deal with peerless tire. Unfortunately for you, you may have to go through the hassle of discount tire. It took them a few months but on our truck we got new brakes, axles, driveshaft, rear diff etc from all of the damage. Plus I get front of the line every time I go there now
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AlpineSwift Colonel 77 Rep 2,114 Posts Drives: 2008 335Xi Coupé Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Castle Rock, CO iTrader: (3)	Depends on how big of a dick head the manager is. Each GM is different but typically their policy on this sort of issue is if the customer proves without a doubt that Discount is at fault, they will warranty their work and replace everything free of charge. I know this, because we had a Cayenne come back with a flat tire after we had just replaced all 4. Found the air sensor was not properly secured. That's when we ended up implementing that the managers and myself be the only ones to touch the euro cars. Too much at risk for a newbie to be fucking with a $75,000 vehicle. __________________ E92 '08 335Xi 6AT - Cobb AP3 Tuned by MAC Autosport, Original Prototype Xi DOCRace 6266 Single Turbo Swap, VRSF CP w/Synapse BOV, VRSF 7" FMIC, BMS Cowl, H&R Coilovers, Renn Motorsport RS-51's, Stoptech Stage 2 Slotted, xHP Stage 3, Earl's Racing Oil Cooler, Turner Boost Gauge, M3 Lip Spoiler. Standing Mile Record Holder for Xi over a mile high: 168.2MPH @ 5512'; The Colorado Mile hosted by The US Mile.
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06-13-2011, 07:07 PM	#44
16M4 Colonel 131 Rep 2,978 Posts Drives: 2016 SO M4 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Broomfiled, CO iTrader: (5)	Update: I went back to Discount Tire today after work to talk to the manager again. He got the approval from his corporate office to replace all the damaged items on the car because of this incident. He will be ordering a new wheel and tire tomorrow An adjuster from Discount Tire will also come by my house soon to take a look at the car and see if anything else was damaged. If so, they will also take care of the other damaged items! In the meantime, they will provide me with Nitto 555's to mount on my stock wheels so the car will not be parked in the garage while waiting for the wheel to arrive (even though I told him it wasn't necessary). I'm glad Discount Tire is not giving me a hard time about this issue!
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