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      03-02-2018, 02:41 PM   #45
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I had already purchased all my parts when I went to Matt and although he did recommend a spec clutch I really didn't have the budget to get the spec clutch. I am not aiming to push 700whp with these turbos because I care more about longevity so I think the 335is one will hold ok for now.
Kewl... are you gunna get it dyno'd when done? I think I'm about to get a meth kit in the next few weeks - time to push the PS2's a little more!
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Well here’s the dyno result! I’m going to upload the vid soon but here’s the bottom line of all this: 477hp and 480 lb/ft of torque! I was guesstimating between 430 and 470 from driving the car and so I was really pleased with this... probably losing maybe 12hp from being AWD (which I’ll gladly give up of course) so I couldn’t be happier with these results.

Next step is meth to start pushing the turbos a bit more, probably around 25lbs.

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Well here’s the dyno result! I’m going to upload the vid soon but here’s the bottom line of all this: 477hp and 480 lb/ft of torque! I was guesstimating between 430 and 470 from driving the car and so I was really pleased with this... probably losing maybe 12hp from being AWD (which I’ll gladly give up of course) so I couldn’t be happier with these results.

Next step is meth to start pushing the turbos a bit more, probably around 25lbs.

Upgrade your fuel system and run full e85. I'm pushing 21-22psi on my GC turbos and it pulls extremely good. I ran 93 with 500 hp as well and it felt good, but now I'm spoiled with e85 lol. I'll probably never get 93 unless I'm taking a long trip.

Btw, congrats on the upgrades! And enjoy the car! Try not to get a speeding ticket

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Buster , I went back and forth and did a lot of research on the meth vs E85 thing. I have a bucketless stage 3 but there’s not a lot of E in my area otherwise I would.

Plus, I’ve heard negatives on corrosion and meth actually cleans stuff out like valves and pistons ive read. I knew I’d be running meth that’s why I went JB4 it has failsafes built in

And, I like how meth only comes in when you are getting on it , whereas E is alwYs being used. For me, meth fits more for my personal driving style. With meth I could run 30 but wanna stay more conservative around 25ish. Thanks for the kudos! Yeah I’m lovin EVERY minut behind this BEAST. With the AWD the car was already a real rocket in first and second, and now it’s just insane... so much traction, the tires barely slip when when floored. It just GOES...
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Buster , I went back and forth and did a lot of research on the meth vs E85 thing. I have a bucketless stage 3 but there’s not a lot of E in my area otherwise I would.

Plus, I’ve heard negatives on corrosion and meth actually cleans stuff out like valves and pistons ive read. I knew I’d be running meth that’s why I went JB4 it has failsafes built in

And, I like how meth only comes in when you are getting on it , whereas E is alwYs being used. For me, meth fits more for my personal driving style. With meth I could run 30 but wanna stay more conservative around 25ish. Thanks for the kudos! Yeah I’m lovin EVERY minut behind this BEAST. With the AWD the car was already a real rocket in first and second, and now it’s just insane... so much traction, the tires barely slip when when floored. It just GOES...
Ahh. Well the only reason I prefer e85 is because it's a little bit safer since the car knows how much timing you can safely run on e85, whereas with meth if you run out your iats will be through the roof and your tune will be using meth timing which will be far to advanced for 93. The jb4 has alot of fail safes with meth so that's good, I've never been into the whole meth stuff though, I figure as long as I can get e85 within 15 mins it's not so bad. With e85 it's good to update the fuel lines to prevent future issues. I'm curewntlky running the whole full it setup, port injection, new fuel lines with a return fuel pressure regulator and a stage 3 pump setup. It's a little pricey, but once it's all setup you can run your e85 tune with any amount of e85 you want as long as you have the fuel it flex fuel sensor installed too. I have gone from full e85 to 50% e85 to full 93 without switching my back end flash anymore. The jb4 and fuel it system works very well as a good flex fuel setup.

I'm also loving the awd traction, but at my power level it's probably just a matter of time before the tranny goes or something else. Hopefully I can find upgrades when they do because replacing a broken stock part with another stock part would suck.
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I wish E85 was as plentiful in my area I’d do the same thing I do like how meth only comes in when needed though.

Are you auto or manual? I’ve read the manuals are pretty bullet proof
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I wish E85 was as plentiful in my area I’d do the same thing I do like how meth only comes in when needed though.

Are you auto or manual? I’ve read the manuals are pretty bullet proof
Auto. If it breaks I'll probably end up doing a manual swap at this point unless some auto tranny upgrades come out.

How far is e85 for you? There are some who run meth and e85. It would be worthless to run them together but if you wanted to keep it separate where meth works with 93 and gets turned off with e85 it shouldn't be to hard. The wiring for pi and e85 uses one of the meth wires so could simply use a toggle switch to go from one to the other. From what I've read if you use e85 with meth you loose some safety features and Terry always says it's worthless to do this. This is why I thought of the toggle switch idea since I also have a meth kit (not installed) that I could use without e85 but I decided that since it's not installed I won't bother. If it was installed I would have made that toggle switch on pin 15 of my jb4 since pin 2 is used by the flex fuel sensor.
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Auto. If it breaks I'll probably end up doing a manual swap at this point unless some auto tranny upgrades come out.

How far is e85 for you?
There's one not far, but it's the only one for quite a ways...
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Methanol kit is going in this weekend ... hoping to pull around 550.

I was surprised to have such a hard time finding what to use for methanol. The windhield fluids around here are often only rated to zero degrees or have detergents in them.

I considered Boost Juice but it’s sssso expensive! Ugh. So I found a place called Smiley’s in Mesquite. I can get a galan for five bucks which is pure, so mixed with water it would be 50/50 and about $2.5 for a gallon! A lot better than $9 for boost juice.

The only issue right now is, every once in a while I’ll get the overboost code thrown. Anyone had that problem?
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Methanol kit is going in this weekend ... hoping to pull around 550.

I was surprised to have such a hard time finding what to use for methanol. The windhield fluids around here are often only rated to zero degrees or have detergents in them.

I considered Boost Juice but it’s sssso expensive! Ugh. So I found a place called Smiley’s in Mesquite. I can get a galan for five bucks which is pure, so mixed with water it would be 50/50 and about $2.5 for a gallon! A lot better than $9 for boost juice.

The only issue right now is, every once in a while I’ll get the overboost code thrown. Anyone had that problem?
You need to adjust your fuel bias settings for the methanol and duty bias settings for the turbos to prevent overboosting. You also need to make sure your wgdc and ff match each other because if they don't you'll overboost as well.

It's all in the jb4 settings. Read this for all the information on how to adjust it.

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So this weekend I'm getting a dual nozzle BMS meth kit installed! I've been waiting for this for a while because so far, my stage 2 high flows have barely been walking much less even jogging or running, due to the limitations of 93 octane gas.

Can't wait to hit the Dyno after finally unlocking the fuel and letting those girls really FLY! I'm hoping for around 25 pounds.

Anyone else running PS2 And Meth?

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Hi everyone, I thought I'd update this thread with the final results of my build. I got the methanol kit installed, Cedar tuned it up and I got it dyno'd last week. It has a pretty conservative tune, using the JB4 to add boost ONLY if it realizes the meth is at 100% and everything "looks good". Then, it adds around 3lbs more. Realize also I'm losing around 25hp from the AWD (which I'm more than glad to give up! lol)

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Thanks for the comments guys
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How much were the Pure HF's? Shipped and out the door.
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Hi everyone, I thought I'd update this thread with the final results of my build. I got the methanol kit installed, Cedar tuned it up and I got it dyno'd last week. It has a pretty conservative tune, using the JB4 to add boost ONLY if it realizes the meth is at 100% and everything "looks good". Then, it adds around 3lbs more. Realize also I'm losing around 25hp from the AWD (which I'm more than glad to give up! lol)

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Hows your IS clutch holding up?
Do you know why the torque/power curve look ao different between the two dyno?
How much boost your running in the first dyno without meth?
You make me really really want to get some ps2!!
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ps2 high flow and basic meth kit with large single nozzle or dual will get you right around 600 whp.

even more can be gained from port meth
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Hows your IS clutch holding up?
Do you know why the torque/power curve look ao different between the two dyno?
How much boost your running in the first dyno without meth?
You make me really really want to get some ps2!!
the high flows were around 3600 i believe...

I didn't get an IS clutch, I considered it, but Cedar Performance convinced me to go with something stronger, so we went with the Spec stage 3+. I like it a lot its' very strong, although the chatter is pretty loud if stopped and the window is down...

This total cost me around 11k for everything, including coilovers, all kinds of stuff, but man, every time I get in the car... every minute spent... is just incredible. Totaly I have like $40 in the car counting $23k for the original purchases... FAR less than many 'super cars' with more performance, and all wheel drive
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the high flows were around 3600 i believe...

I didn't get an IS clutch, I considered it, but Cedard Performance convinced me to go with something stronger, so we went with the Spec stage 3+. I like it a lot its' very strong, although the chatter is pretty loud if stopped and the window is down...

This total cost me around 11k for everything, including coilovers, all kinds of stuff, but man, every time I get in the car... every minute spent... is just incredible. Totaly I have like $40 in the car counting $23k for the original purchases... FAR less than many 'super cars' with more performance, and all wheel drive


Best of luck with it and good call on going with the 3+.
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Hows your IS clutch holding up?
I have a spec stage 3+, it's good for around 800 lb/ft of torque or so

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How much boost your running in the first dyno without meth?
it was set to 25lbs...

Remeber I have AWD, so I'm losing around 20-25 hp... which of course I'll gladly give up to be able to get all this power to the ground
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There are setups with much more power than this and stock AWD. I do think I'm going to have all the fluids changed including transmission, they are recommending Liqui Moly.

Yeah from what I've read both the manual transmission and AWD can take quite a bit of power and torque. Plus, with the NLS module I can do a two step and wirh the JB4 Limit boost by gear to maximize launch effectiveness without breaking things...

It's funny because cars that are 100k+ like 911 and GTR have features like launch control that we can add wirh a 300 upgrade
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