[SamS]

Originally Posted by TheStigsTwin

Not here in the US. We can't order that. And we hate you for it.

Yep, I can't believe that we cannot order the 335i w/DCT here in the US. Has BMW ever said why not? If the 135i can get it, why not the 335i?

Or, maybe that was the reasoning behind the intro of the US-only 335is? BMW can get a bit of a premium out of US buyers for that car.

The one thing I really don't understand is how to get the 19" version of the 313 wheels when you order a 335is. I know most got them as a $1K upgrade over the standard 18" versions. However, the "Build Your Own" configurator on BMW's website does not have an option for the 19" version of the 313 wheels.

Maybe it's something only the dealer computers can see/order?

[persian54]

Originally Posted by SamS

Yep, I can't believe that we cannot order the 335i w/DCT here in the US. Has BMW ever said why not? If the 135i can get it, why not the 335i?

Or, maybe that was the reasoning behind the intro of the US-only 335is? BMW can get a bit of a premium out of US buyers for that car.

DCT on the 335iS is the main reason many get it (other than the body, but you can get that in a regular 335i)

[dryicerx]

Originally Posted by SamS

Yep, I can't believe that we cannot order the 335i w/DCT here in the US. Has BMW ever said why not? If the 135i can get it, why not the 335i?

Or, maybe that was the reasoning behind the intro of the US-only 335is? BMW can get a bit of a premium out of US buyers for that car.

The one thing I really don't understand is how to get the 19" version of the 313 wheels when you order a 335is. I know most got them as a $1K upgrade over the standard 18" versions. However, the "Build Your Own" configurator on BMW's website does not have an option for the 19" version of the 313 wheels.

Maybe it's something only the dealer computers can see/order?

Plain and simple reasoning: Marketing.

As for the 19" 313, your CA can put that in when ordering.

Originally Posted by persian54

DCT on the 335iS is the main reason many get it (other than the body, but you can get that in a regular 335i)

Agree, this was my primary reason for going with the 335is. (not sure if it's still available, but last year I ordered mine when they had a credit for ordering DCT, which made it free)

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Suspension wise, nothing has changed on the 335iS. Uses the same brakes as well.

The only difference between the two cars are:

Engine: N54 with more boost used in 335iS.

7 Speed DCT available for 335iS.

No Fog lights for the 335iS. Air intakes instead.

M Sport Package is Standard.

Aluminum trim ONLY interior trim option.

Not sure about wheels but, I think the 335iS comes with 18's or 19 inch wheels standard also.

That's pretty much it.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

That's pretty much it.

Additional cooler/radiator.

Originally Posted by dryicerx

As for the 19" 313, your CA can put that in when ordering.

Good to know, thanks. Do you know what the option code is for the 19" 313 wheels? Also, how they different from the $4800 version you get from BMW Performance?

[Wires]

Originally Posted by TheStigsTwin

Not here in the US. We can't order that. And we hate you for it.

Not in Canada either. Barstards.... If you buy a sedan right now, no DCT, no extra power no Dinan. Licks.....

[JV973]

335is is different from a regular 335i but alot of owners of the regular 335i's dont want to believe that

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by joito87

335is is different from a regular 335i but alot of owners of the regular 335i's dont want to believe that

Not sure what that means but it is essentially the same car with a little more HP. See upgrades mentioned above. I gather it sounds better too. I hope so.

[e92duardo]

The differences have been accurately described in previous posts. The DCT availability maybe a the deciding factor for some.

But even without DCT, take a 335i coupe and add the M-sport option, a tune and maybe an exhaust to get the extra power/torque, and the extra cooling to handle it. The $7,000 difference will all but disappear. And the warranty on your engine will be gone. It seems to me, if you want those specs, the 335is is not an unreasonable way to go.

[ciomas]

not this thread again...

[scottp999]

If the IS was around in 2007 I would have bought it. Two of the best mods I've done to the 335i are the BMW performance suspension and the quaife LSD. It's a shame that they could not have included the performance suspension in the price, and the old e30's IS that you could order LSD as a factory option was awesome. They should have brought that back as an option.

[KevinJ]

1. The 335is comes standard with a version of the M body kit. It includes a sculpted rear valance (diffuser) matching the body color versus the standard M kit which is black ABS only. The standard M package also includes sports suspension and other M bits such as thicker steering wheel, chrome accent peddle and foot rest, M door sill badging.
   
2. Black chrome exhaust tips, grill and shadow trim, and anthracit headliner unless comparing to the M kit only exhaust tips different. Black mirror caps also which are not part of the M kit.
   
3. The exhaust is a modified sports exhaust and not the standard BMW sports exhaust. According to BMW, they removed some of the fill to change the sound and also added a valve like a standard exhaust to control the noise where the normal BMW sport exhaust doesn't have this. The 335is exhaust differs from the 335i, 335i with M kit, and BMW branded aftermarket sports exhaust.
   
4. Also according to BMW the motor mounts are stiffer than a standard 335 and not available on the standard M kit. The suspension is no different however or the brakes.
   
5. There is the availability of the DCT transmission which you can not obtain on the standard 335i or 335i with M kit unless outside of the U.S which varies by country if available on the 335i.
   
6. The 335is uses the older N54 Turbo motor where the 2011 335i uses the new N55 Twin Scroll motor. 335is only exists as a 2011 and thus can't compare to prior years. Tunability or other unknown factors may come into play with the N54 versus N55 and why it was chosen for the 335is. It was remarked that BMW had more experience on the N54. N55 335is in the future? who knows.
   
7. The 335is includes tuned sports software not standard on the 335i and M kit. The 335is gets 320 hp and 332 lb-ft torque from the twin-turbo 3.0-liter inline-six engine, and an overboost function allows for seven-second blasts of 370 lb-ft of torque. Compared to the standard 335i with 300/300.
   
8. The 335is has additional radiator, oil and a larger cooling fan compared to the standard 335i or 335i with M kit. "An additional radiator has been added behind the left-side front air intake, along with a more powerful electric cooling fan. An oil cooler is fitted opposite the second radiator, on the right side."
   
9. Foglight delete for better air cooling to support the additional radiator and oil cooler and not an option on the 335i or 335i with M. 335is convertible retains foglights.
   
10. The 335is includes a 335is cluster gauge with color/badging. There is unique 335is badging on the outside and inside.
    
11. The 335is comes standard with 18" 313 wheels compared to the standard 335i. The 335i M package no longer offers the 313 wheels standard.
    
12. The 335is comes with paddle shifters standard.
    
13. The 335is offers a sunroof delete option. This option may be available outside of the U.S. or on request for other 3 series models.
    

All of this is about $3-4k more than a standard 335i. I think its a good deal. The only thing I would wish for is a factory option for BMW performance brakes or at least some type of BMW or M branding on the brakes and cross-drilled brakes all around for looks.

Other food for thought:

Performance figures split the siblings perfectly in thirds. We find the 335i Coupe to have a 0-60 acceleration time of 4.8 seconds, while the 335iS finds 60 in an estimated 4.6 sec, topped only by the M3’s 4.1 second acceleration time. Power figures follow a similar trend, the 335i Coupe outputs 300 hp / 300 lb-ft torque while the 335iS turns 320 hp / 332 lb ft of torque, topped again by the mighty M3’s 414 hp / 295 lb-ft torque. The curb weight of each car tells a different story; to summarize, the 335i Coupe is laden with 3,542 lbs, the 335iS with 3,650 lbs while the M3 tips 3,704 lbs at the scales.

Source: http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/07/08/bm...bling-rivalry/



The only downside is fewer exterior color choices and only Dark Glacier Trim is available.

[808speed]

Wish they upped the HP to the 375 range!

[rayainsw]

Originally Posted by SamS

.... Do you know what the option code is for the 19" 313 wheels? Also, how they different from the $4800 version you get from BMW Performance?

2B6 19" X 8.0" Front & 19" X 8.5" Rear Double-Spoke Light Alloy Wheels (STYLE 313) $1,000.00
P225/35R19 front & P255/30R19 rear run-flat performance tires

- Ray

[SamS]

Originally Posted by rayainsw

2B6 19" X 8.0" Front & 19" X 8.5" Rear Double-Spoke Light Alloy Wheels (STYLE 313) $1,000.00
P225/35R19 front & P255/30R19 rear run-flat performance tires

- Ray

Thank you!!!!!!!!

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by joito87

335is is different from a regular 335i but alot of owners of the regular 335i's dont want to believe that

I refuse to believe that the 335is is different that a regular 335i.
I think it is all marketing hype and that the engines are identical and that the DCT transmission is a rebadged Steptronic.

This entire 335i DCT thing is a conspiracy and I am not falling for it.





CA

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by KevinJ

1. The 335is comes standard with a version of the M body kit. It includes a sculpted rear valance (diffuser) matching the body color versus the standard M kit which is black ABS only. The standard M package also includes sports suspension and other M bits such as thicker steering wheel, chrome accent peddle and foot rest, M door sill badging.
   
2. Black chrome exhaust tips, grill and shadow trim, and anthracit headliner unless comparing to the M kit only exhaust tips different. Black mirror caps also which are not part of the M kit.
   
3. The exhaust is a modified sports exhaust and not the standard BMW sports exhaust. According to BMW, they removed some of the fill to change the sound and also added a valve like a standard exhaust to control the noise where the normal BMW sport exhaust doesn't have this. The 335is exhaust differs from the 335i, 335i with M kit, and BMW branded aftermarket sports exhaust.
   
4. Also according to BMW the motor mounts are stiffer than a standard 335 and not available on the standard M kit. The suspension is no different however or the brakes.
   
5. There is the availability of the DCT transmission which you can not obtain on the standard 335i or 335i with M kit unless outside of the U.S which varies by country if available on the 335i.
   
6. The 335is uses the older N54 Turbo motor where the 2011 335i uses the new N55 Twin Scroll motor. 335is only exists as a 2011 and thus can't compare to prior years. Tunability or other unknown factors may come into play with the N54 versus N55 and why it was chosen for the 335is. It was remarked that BMW had more experience on the N54. N55 335is in the future? who knows.
   
7. The 335is includes tuned sports software not standard on the 335i and M kit. The 335is gets 320 hp and 332 lb-ft torque from the twin-turbo 3.0-liter inline-six engine, and an overboost function allows for seven-second blasts of 370 lb-ft of torque. Compared to the standard 335i with 300/300.
   
8. The 335is has additional radiator, oil and a larger cooling fan compared to the standard 335i or 335i with M kit. "An additional radiator has been added behind the left-side front air intake, along with a more powerful electric cooling fan. An oil cooler is fitted opposite the second radiator, on the right side."
   
9. Foglight delete for better air cooling to support the additional radiator and oil cooler and not an option on the 335i or 335i with M. 335is convertible retains foglights.
   
10. The 335is includes a 335is cluster gauge with color/badging. There is unique 335is badging on the outside and inside.
    
11. The 335is comes standard with 18" 313 wheels compared to the standard 335i. The 335i M package no longer offers the 313 wheels standard.
    
12. The 335is comes with paddle shifters standard.
    
13. The 335is offers a sunroof delete option. This option may be available outside of the U.S. or on request for other 3 series models.
    

All of this is about $3-4k more than a standard 335i. I think its a good deal. The only thing I would wish for is a factory option for BMW performance brakes or at least some type of BMW or M branding on the brakes and cross-drilled brakes all around for looks.

Other food for thought:

Performance figures split the siblings perfectly in thirds. We find the 335i Coupe to have a 0-60 acceleration time of 4.8 seconds, while the 335iS finds 60 in an estimated 4.6 sec, topped only by the M3’s 4.1 second acceleration time. Power figures follow a similar trend, the 335i Coupe outputs 300 hp / 300 lb-ft torque while the 335iS turns 320 hp / 332 lb ft of torque, topped again by the mighty M3’s 414 hp / 295 lb-ft torque. The curb weight of each car tells a different story; to summarize, the 335i Coupe is laden with 3,542 lbs, the 335iS with 3,650 lbs while the M3 tips 3,704 lbs at the scales.

Source: http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/07/08/bm...bling-rivalry/



The only downside is fewer exterior color choices and only Dark Glacier Trim is available.

Its really more like $7-8,000 as the 335 gets heavily discounted and the is....not so much.

[KevinJ]

Ok forget about the badging and think of it this way. A BMW 335i with M package and includes a special factory installed BMW Performance package that has software, engine mounts, additional oil and radiator cooling, and 18" wheels.

If you bought a 335i with M kit and added all those things, how much would it cost you aside from modifying a new car.

Go to the Dinan site and see what you get, sure there are cheaper options but I would perfer factory over aftermarket:

http://www.dinancars.com/shop/index....335i-xi#page=1

Look at the price for just these three things:

Dinan Exhaust with black tips: $1999
Dinan oil cooler: $1599
Stage 1 software: $1699

Originally Posted by captainaudio

I refuse to believe that the 335is is different that a regular 335i.
I think it is all marketing hype and that the engines are identical and that the DCT transmission is a rebadged Steptronic.

This entire 335i DCT thing is a conspiracy and I am not falling for it.





CA

[KevinJ]

Of course if you compare a barebones 335i to a semi loaded 335is then yes, $7-8k. You have bad information otherwise. Use truecar.com which also reports on recent sales and best pricing from actual dealers.

Also when comparing, compare a 335i with M against a 335is.

Barebones 335i "Great Price": $40925
Barebones 335i with just M kit "Great Price" $43655
Barebones 335is "Great Price": $47365

Difference between a 335i barebones and 335is: $6440
Difference between a 335i with M kit and 335is: $3710

You can't compare a 335i to a 335is unless it is with an M kit since the 335is include the M kit.

Originally Posted by Leaker

Its really more like $7-8,000 as the 335 gets heavily discounted and the is....not so much.

[Cygnusx1]

Wow, I remember when "S" stood for "sport", and "sport" meant light. I must be getting old.

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by KevinJ

Ok forget about the badging and think of it this way. A BMW 335i with M package and includes a special factory installed BMW Performance package that has software, engine mounts, additional oil and radiator cooling, and 18" wheels.

If you bought a 335i with M kit and added all those things, how much would it cost you aside from modifying a new car.

Go to the Dinan site and see what you get, sure there are cheaper options but I would perfer factory over aftermarket:

http://www.dinancars.com/shop/index....335i-xi#page=1

Look at the price for just these three things:

Dinan Exhaust with black tips: $1999
Dinan oil cooler: $1599
Stage 1 software: $1699

Dinan makes about 365 hp I believe...way more than 335is.

Originally Posted by KevinJ

Of course if you compare a barebones 335i to a semi loaded 335is then yes, $7-8k. You have bad information otherwise. Use truecar.com which also reports on recent sales and best pricing from actual dealers.

Also when comparing, compare a 335i with M against a 335is.

Barebones 335i "Great Price": $40925
Barebones 335i with just M kit "Great Price" $43655
Barebones 335is "Great Price": $47365

Difference between a 335i barebones and 335is: $6440
Difference between a 335i with M kit and 335is: $3710

You can't compare a 335i to a 335is unless it is with an M kit since the 335is include the M kit.

I got about $8000 off list on my car. Don't think they would do that on and is.

[KevinJ]

If you got that off on your car, that was a deal just for you. That's like saying well my 335i is better than a M3, I got $8k off.

On top of that your saying that you bought a car at less than what the dealer bought it from the factory. So they gave you their 9% sales bonus from BMW. So the dealership lost money? Your story is not holding water.

MSRP on a barebones 335i is $44025. Dealer cost is $40070. That is a $3995 difference between sticker and what the dealer pays. Your saying you got $8k off. So 8000-3995= $4k remaining. The dealers sales bonus on the car is 9% or $3606. $4k - 3606 = $394. Your story says that the dealer basically gave you a car at their cost, they also gave you their sales bonus, and ON TOP OF IT, they paid you $394 to take the car! LOL


I'm referring to deals that people can get all day long and showed you what the price difference is and in fact my deal was even better than what I posted before.

I knew you would come back with the HP argument but that wasn't the point, it was the fact that just software upgrading alone will cost you almost 1/3 the cost of the entire 335is features that are bundled. There's software out there with all ranges of HP from $900-2500. The fact remains is that it is not factory.

What I'm saying is that for $3k+ I got software, additional oil, radiator cooling, and engine mounts and DCT transmission that isn't available on the 335i in the US.

Go get those parts and have them installed and see how much it costs you besides messing around with your new car.

Originally Posted by Leaker

Dinan makes about 365 hp I believe...way more than 335is.


I got about $8000 off list on my car. Don't think they would do that on and is.