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      07-04-2014, 01:43 PM   #67
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Most purists decried the move by the German manufacturers to American plants. They even lambasted the very first product that came out of Alabama (first gen ML) and N Carolina (Z3) for poor quality.. maybe that's by design or by sourcing cheap local parts.. but 10+ years later the product is now just as good and as refined as those imported from Europe.
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Mexican Coke (Coca Cola) is better.
Mexico uses real sugar because sugar is cheaper in Mexico vs US.
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      07-04-2014, 01:57 PM   #69
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Glad the overall tone here about this is positive, but my personal experience leads me to mixed feelings about this. I had a German-produced VW right around the same time my sister had a Mexican-produced one. My car was solid as a rock, and hers was nothing but trouble. Now, there are plenty of other factors that I'm sure came into play here but I'm still a bit apprehensive.
That indeed happened. But it was a VW management and QA problem, not a Mexico problem. It's also been fixed for a while.

All sorts of cars are already built here today for global consumption.

A few:

- Beetle, Jetta, Fusion, Versa, Fiat 500, etc.

Audi will be building the Q5 here soon too. And Mercedes also announced a plant with Nissan in a joint venture.

Mexico is already the 4th exporter globally of cars.

I am pretty sure BMW will be able to keep quality up to par, they have a very strong interest in doing so.
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4. Creating well paid jobs in Mexico reduces illegal immigration to the US in the long term.
5. A wealthier neighbour to the south helps the US in many ways. We can better police ourselves and buy more US made products. We are also politically stable and a partner instead of trouble.
Exactly.

I never understood the business and political strategy of the USA investing money in Asia, in particular China, when South America could have been the natural and ideal ground to put our money and businesses there.

However, we bitch and moan because they can't stay on their side of the fence. While we keep borrowing money from China to pay for the damn fence to begin with.

A richer South America is much better for us than a richer China.
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For those that think this is acceptable, do know that this is just the tip of the iceberg for a new trend. I'm sure this was an investors' decision anyway, but big powerful companies with record-setting profits only want one thing: more money.

For the first few years, I'm sure the cars coming from Mexico would be high quality and well made like the German counterparts. But over time, things will reveal itself. Management in BMW Mexico will become corrupt just like their government. Examples include:

- Accepting bribes from suppliers (to ensure their parts get sourced over competitors)
- Cutting corners to reduce cost, and make their accounting book look good to headquarters

I've seen this happen in China. We had to cut partnership with several Chinese companies because of these EXACT reasons. I'm sure the average Mexican citizen is hard working and honest, but there's a reason why despite all these years, it remains a poor and corrupt country.
I'm sorry about your China experience but it is a fact thousands of businesses globally work reliably with Chinese and/or Mexican partners.

There is no reason this cannot work.

Mexico, by the way is a middle-income country. Far from poor. Far from fully developed, too.

We do have a corruption problem, mainly in government. It can and will improve over time just as it has in many other countries around the world as incomes, education, and regulation improves.
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Mexican Coke (Coca Cola) is better.
Mexico uses real sugar because sugar is cheaper in Mexico vs US.
That's beginning to change. Corn syrup prices are rising since in its infinite wisdom the US government mandates the production of automotive fuel out of corn.
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I wonder if they will be badged meX5?
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Interesting reading:
Are 'American' cars are going extinct?
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/...going-extinct/

"Only 10 vehicles qualified this year for the annual American-Made Index from Cars.com, and just three of them are from domestic brands."
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Quality in these scenarios doesn't have anything to do with the country. It depends on the administration of BMW, even if they opened a new plant in Germany, they would have to pass through the same curve and processes than in Mexico, with the difference being the familiarization between the two languages.

It also depends on the salaries BMW establish in Mexico, the higher the salaries, the better the people they will get to work with.

Apple and Microsoft as well as other leading companies, offer very high positions for mexican engineers to work in the USA. Paying them even more than the people from the United States in some cases.

A bad choice of BMW would be if they wanted to open a Plant in an island for example, where they would not have access to enough high profile people. The people that complain about this, I'm sure they would be surprised if they visit Mexico City and other many important cities in Mexico. Bigger firms than BMW have many financial, marketing… departments, offices and buildings in Mexico, just have trust that the country can cover "manufactory" haha.

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Just food for thought, Mexico city has a 9 year policy for cars. As soon as your car becomes 9 years old, you can no longer use it every day of the week. Which means people will be looking to buy a new car every 5 to 8 years. Officially, this reduces pollution, unofficially, this makes the auto industry in Mexico VERY profitable, and government taxes a yearly 3% on the original purchase price, and bi-yearly smog checks about 40 usd each. No wonder sales have gone up that much, considering that people there who can buy a BMW don't mind changing it before the term ends.

Where I'm going with this is that you will be seeing a lot more automotive plants going up in Mexico, and the government is expected to have open arms for them because local production yields more tax and less imports due to high demand on cars.
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Mexican Coke (Coca Cola) is better.
Mexico uses real sugar because sugar is cheaper in Mexico vs US.
The whole world uses sugar even European Union has a law early last decade prohibiting using sugar.
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30 years managing a large staff in Mexico at ISO plants and always the same headaches, incomplete or work product with many mistakes. But labor is cheap; we pay what we get and end up fishing the errors, mañana!
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I'm amazed at the number of kneejerk reactions. Japan was known as the knockoff country back in the 60s. But thanks to TQM and hard work over the years, I don't think anyone here would doubt Japanese quality today.

All developing countries go through the same growing pains. Let Mexico prove itself; these guys built Chichen Itza and Teotihuacan for crying out loud. These structures are still standing today. So don't make an ass of yourself by saying Mexicans don't know how to build stuff.

In the event that you do get a lemon, there's always American lemon laws.

So, really, take a step back and examine your own prejudices. It's the reason why the world is so screwed up today.
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price of the car will remain the same or higher

same as SA cars, no one will want them
Since no one wants SA built cars, BMW must be stockpiling all SA manufactured vehicles in empty field. If that is the case, why the heck do they continue pumping millions into the Rosslyn plant? Have you ever been to Rosslyn?



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http://www.carmag.co.za/news/bmw-sa-tops-in-quality/
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How many jobs will it create?
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Mexican Coke (Coca Cola) is better.
Mexican Coca Cola is clearly better than US Coca Cola which uses corn syrup. US laws create a near monopoly for Domino Sugar for purely political reasons. It benefits Domino Sugar owner who is one of the largest political contributors in the US and the corn producers, makers of high fructose corn syrup.
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30 years managing a large staff in Mexico at ISO plants and always the same headaches, incomplete or work product with many mistakes. But labor is cheap; we pay what we get and end up fishing the errors, maana!
LOL, you should try manage a US staff. It is no different, I work for an OEM and the quality of the plant I am based for a 15MY launch is faaaaaar from top notch, and at 30/hr (wage only) it is very expensive considering what you get.

Our plants in MX are much higher rated in terms of quality and cost. And this is no different for all OEM with plants in MX.
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30 years managing a large staff in Mexico at ISO plants and always the same headaches, incomplete or work product with many mistakes. But labor is cheap; we pay what we get and end up fishing the errors, mañana!
With all due respect, maybe the managment has something to do with those problems?

And, well, if you have stayed for 30 years, it can't be that bad of a business decision for you, don't you think?


Lots of plants here have very high quality, I believe the differences have a lot more to do with the company than with the location/nationality of it.
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price of the car will remain the same or higher

same as SA cars, no one will want them
Since no one wants SA built cars, BMW must be stockpiling all SA manufactured vehicles in empty field. If that is the case, why the heck do they continue pumping millions into the Rosslyn plant? Have you ever been to Rosslyn?



Here is one just for you:

http://www.carmag.co.za/news/bmw-sa-tops-in-quality/
90% of the people don't know it, and if you search for threads you'll see bad experiences with forum members, extensive wait times, damaged cars, and interesting objects inside of cars that show that cars were used for hotel type purposes, so overall for those who don't know great but I prefer to know and took euro delivery.
In countries that are developed it's one thing, like us build suv's but others I personally would stay away from, my opinion, doesn't reflect quality but I would never buy a non German Porsche or non Italian Ferrari or lambo, same deal here
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30 years managing a large staff in Mexico at ISO plants and always the same headaches, incomplete or work product with many mistakes. But labor is cheap; we pay what we get and end up fishing the errors, mañana!
Please do me a favor and be back to Composition Steps to improve your notes. Thank you.
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