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Has anyone contacted BMW regarding 29.2 and lag?
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11-19-2008, 09:40 PM | #2861 | |
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11-19-2008, 10:53 PM | #2862 | |
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Nevermind, I see what you're saying. You were referring to 29.2+ cars, not the upcoming fix from BMW. Last edited by Black Bimmer; 11-19-2008 at 11:10 PM.. |
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11-19-2008, 11:01 PM | #2863 |
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11-19-2008, 11:51 PM | #2864 | |
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It's VERY hard to tell, but it looks like I have a 1" smooth/clean spot while the car is off. I wouldn't call it a wear mark per se, but the rest of the rod is dirtier. Sorry guys, no turning the car on tonight. I'd rather not disturb the neighbors. |
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Ill do one better. Ill actually do the polite thing and post the link instead of reprimanding you for not searching the thread:http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...postcount=1068 Quote:
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EDIT: BTW, I found the link, downloaded the pdf and read thru it. Technically, if you carefully follow the article, that figure is not quoted from the official spokesman. AUTO BILD states that it came from BMW but they dont seem to specially state how/when/where they came by it. Das Ergebnis: eine Verzögerung laut BMW 150 Millsekunden. "Das fahrt mit Sicherheit kein Kunde heraus ", so ein BMW-Sprecher gegenüber AUTO BILD. Last edited by HighVoltage; 11-20-2008 at 12:39 AM.. |
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11-20-2008, 02:14 AM | #2866 | ||
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Remember? You asked where the 150ms came from and the answer already was two pages back. I referred you to the source and you still disbelieved that the figure comes from BMW. I referred you to the original article of a magazine that is sold ~630.000 times here which says translated: "The result: a delay – 150 ms according to BMW. „For sure, no customer gets that out“, says a BMW speaker to Autobild.". You still tell me that it's not sure that the figure was stated by BMW. I severely doubt that you will get that 150ms statement from "BMW proper" in a country where they specifically market the car with the claim of "no lag". BTW: They never used that claim here in Germany. Autobild was the first to get BMWs "sort-of" acknowledgement of the lag problem, probably before the official U.S. statement was forged where that 150ms is characterized as "small amount of increased turbocharger lag" which "may be perceptable to the most sensitive BMW drivers". This is Newspeak to me. Sorry I could not help you out. Last edited by meyergru; 11-20-2008 at 03:15 AM.. |
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11-20-2008, 08:40 AM | #2867 | |
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On another note...I wonder why, pertaining to this update, we have heard "January, January, January" and nothing else, regardless of where in the world the update will be. What I mean is, in the past, with normal progman updates, Germany will see it first, then all of Europe, then finally the U.S. I wonder why we haven't heard that Germany and Europe will get this "fix" weeks or so before us in the U.S.? |
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11-20-2008, 10:35 AM | #2869 |
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meyergru has been one of the most helpful posters in this thread. Please stay on topic and if you have issues PM him. This topic is too important to have the thread hijacked. Cheers
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11-20-2008, 11:38 AM | #2870 |
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11-20-2008, 12:21 PM | #2871 | |
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The first post, that was going to maintain a general FAQ about this, unfortunately has not been updated since Sept. The thread has ballooned to 130+ and counting. Before people start whipping out the ,they may want to consider this. On Topic: There is a complete lack of a consolidation of the information gathered so far. A FAQ about what has been determined so far, as stated from their respective sources, IMHO would help everyone. |
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11-20-2008, 01:00 PM | #2872 | |
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11-20-2008, 01:44 PM | #2873 | |
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11-20-2008, 02:23 PM | #2874 | |
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appears to me (and several other posters) that both wastegates are operated in parallel from one vacuum circuit. There ARE two separate vacuum circuits BUT they are joined together into one by the ~6 inch long piece of straight tubing between the two "T" connectors. See the tubing (#7) between the two "T connectors" (#9) in this diagram: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...75&hg=11&fg=45 My E93 is an April (~10th) build so I "should" have 29.2 and MSD81. I will try and check the visible wastegate rod tonight and report back here.
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11-20-2008, 02:59 PM | #2875 | |
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11-20-2008, 03:11 PM | #2876 | ||
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I was thinking about this last night - maybe this has something to do with the blow off valves instead... Perhaps they're too aggressive in blowing off turbo boost, or perhaps they're slow to close? Page 15 of the 2007 ENGINE MANAGEMENT document: Quote:
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11-20-2008, 05:25 PM | #2877 |
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OK, I looked at my rod.
I think this (and the response above from Black) is shooting down our theory.... my rod disappeared by AT LEAST an inch...I'd say 1.5 inches, once the car was turned on. Sooo....unless there are SMALL differences (like 0.5 inch variances or something) of wastegate rod movement, then I don't think we're seeing anything drastically different. This sure is confusing...how can the car surely have more open gates (hence my car being much louder at idle, and,uh...the LAG ) yet the rod results are the same. argh. ONE SUGGESTION - maybe we could mark our rods with the car on (CAREFUL...don't get burned or sucked in) with a sharpie, right at the point where it is just entering the wastegate. Then, AFTER the "fix" we could see any change, exactly. If the mark is gone, then the rod is going in more. If there's not a gap between the mark and the wastegate body, then the rod is going in less. Just an idea...maybe stupid. |
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11-20-2008, 05:32 PM | #2878 | |
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Feel free to PM me an update if anyone wants me to stick it in, although only 1 person should do it so we do not have conflicting verbiage.
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11-20-2008, 05:57 PM | #2880 |
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The best way to do this is to have someone start the car for you.
Have a flash light on the wastegate rod, let someone start the car and keep an eye on it. You will DEF. see if it moves or not since the rod connects to the wastegate arm, so if you can't see the rod itself move, you will def. see the wastegate arm move back. Only thing i am not sure is, if the wastegate are controlled together or seperate. If they are controlled seperate, then the only thing being effected might be the front turbo which we can't see and the rear turbo might have been left alone, but i dont understand bmw doing that and as one MEMBER mentioned this might not be the case. But like i mentioned try to get someone to start the car while your looking at the arm.
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11-20-2008, 08:01 PM | #2881 | |
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Build date: June 2008 Software 30.0.2/V81 Engine off: 1" of "wear" Engine on: No wear Lag: I'll need to drive the car a bit more to get a feel for it. It's not my daily driver (it's my wife's ). |
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11-20-2008, 09:46 PM | #2882 |
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This is a repost.. Just FYI for those with 06-early 08 production car:
"In an effort to address specific noise concerns, BMW updated the turbocharged engine software on 335i/xi and 535i/xi models built from June 2006 through March 2008. The updated software causes a small amount of increased “turbocharger lag” under certain circumstances and, while not substantial, the lag may be perceptible to the most sensitive BMW drivers. X6, 135i, and 3 Series/5 Series vehicles from March 2008 production onward are not affected. Release of the new software to restore the original turbocharger response is planned for January 2009, and it will be available for vehicles produced from September 2007 through March 2008 when they are brought to an authorized BMW center for a repair which requires a programming update. Clients with vehicles produced from June 2006 through September 2007 may request installation of the January 2009 software update. Clients who get this update should understand that there is a possibility of slightly increased engine noise levels under certain circumstances." |
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