[Julian2485]

Shawn Stated he sold 600 turbos and only 4 come back. 3 were starved of oil hence why i can see him saying get new oil lines and making upgraded thrust bearing. The last one he said was running high boost on oem exhaust. I think i seen that where some guy had welded 2 2" 1' pipes into his exhaust for some reason. It could of been to delete secondary cats i can't remember. I seen pics of it floating around online somewhere but can't remember where.

[4 Doors]

Originally Posted by Julian2485

Shawn Stated he sold 600 turbos and only 4 come back. 3 were starved of oil hence why i can see him saying get new oil lines and making upgraded thrust bearing. The last one he said was running high boost on oem exhaust. I think i seen that where some guy had welded 2 2" 1' pipes into his exhaust for some reason. It could of been to delete secondary cats i can't remember. I seen pics of it floating around online somewhere but can't remember where.

Where are these 600 turbos? Is that 300 cars/buyers? If so, there would seem to be more users on the forums that have them if this is the case...

If any are on these forums but not speaking up, it would be great to see more data/logs.

[nyt]

Originally Posted by 4 Doors

Where are these 600 turbos? Is that 300 cars/buyers? If so, there would seem to be more users on the forums that have them if this is the case...

If any are on these forums but not speaking up, it would be great to see more data/logs.

Maybe he accidentally added a 0

[Julian2485]

Lol could be turbos for other platforms

[SlimE92]

Originally Posted by nyt

Maybe he accidentally added a 0

This seems more likely :

[KnighTT]

The sad truth is, for those searching for information, is that 95% of the enthusiast consumers, and especially motorsport amateur/professionals, don't post their knowledge online.

When I went looking for specific conversations on Pure600's, I only found a handful of people, videos, and posts. Solid setup, solid feedback regarding the company, but I still only found a handful. I can say about the same amount of people talking about the DAW turbo's.

I've been to a few SCCA events here at Road Atlanta. The truth is you can learn more in a couple hours from those guys than you can in 6 months on the net. They also don't come home and hop on forums. They spend a good time speaking within their groups, or have their own experience to expand on, and then test on the track. They also don't have time for the argumentative nature and uneducated bickering that plague a lot of enthusiast forums.

[KnighTT]

Oh, looks like DW posted a bunch of clips a few days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCao...7wOlZ6PvHXge1A

[NoGuru]

I know lots of local BMW enthusiasts that do not post on these forums.
They are probably pretty smart

[KnighTT]

I kind of have a curiosity based on those clips I posted. More importantly, the videos of them VSR balancing their turbos.

The video seems to be proof, as it has been debated on forums like these for sure, that they do their own in-house balancing.

So, wouldn't that mean that I should get a balance sheet from that CIMAT machine with my turbo's when I receive them? If they are balancing in-house, would there be any reason to include a third part balance sheet?

I am not sure if anyone has posted these but these are those phots of insde the Dynamic Autoworx machine shop.

[Emilime75]

Not sure what part of those videos is "proof" of them being done in house. Not saying they don't, I don't know, but those videos are pretty much useless.

[Jeef]

if it was there machine shop wouldn't they at least have their brand name somewhere on the wall?

[KnighTT]

I have a few clients that do some heavy machining work and they don't really advertise who they are. My one main client, that has some serious bragging rights, doesn't even have their company name on the building.

I actually hunted down a huge thread over in spool street, found a guy in Augusta who has the stg 2's, and reached out to him directly. He had some great feedback. Got his tune from Wedge and is working through that.

There is a 22 page thread over there that starts off with some serious BS and shady bickering, they even mention the e90 thread that got erased quite a few times, but about mid way through you get the feedback. So far, no real negatives. The one person that blew their seals was due to the intake collapsing. DAW sent a replacement with no issues. The rest are getting started with the life of these and are all ready to chime in if any issues come up.

This doesn't really mean anything tomorrow, but so far, I have not found anyone with a story about the stg 2+ having any issues and providing any proof.

[blaster3500]

Originally Posted by KnighTT

I kind of have a curiosity based on those clips I posted. More importantly, the videos of them VSR balancing their turbos.

The video seems to be proof, as it has been debated on forums like these for sure, that they do their own in-house balancing.

So, wouldn't that mean that I should get a balance sheet from that CIMAT machine with my turbo's when I receive them? If they are balancing in-house, would there be any reason to include a third part balance sheet?

I am not sure if anyone has posted these but these are those phots of insde the Dynamic Autoworx machine shop.

If you look at the video clip he says the stage 2 will soon be assembled and balanced in the US. From my understanding the stage 2 (TDO3) came assembled and balanced from overseas. The stage 3/4 (TD04) is assembled and balanced in the US because there is machine work needed to the TD04 CHRA and exhaust manifold. That is the reason you see different balancing sheets. As for balanced and machined in house I am 99% sure that is false. He is having a third party machine shop do the work and then a 3rd party person balance the units. That would be expected for an operation his size and nothing wrong with it. This is what I have gathered but who knows the truth.

[lwgrenier]

Originally Posted by blaster3500

If you look at the video clip he says the stage 2 will soon be assembled and balanced in the US. From my understanding the stage 2 (TDO3) came assembled and balanced from overseas. The stage 3/4 (TD04) is assembled and balanced in the US because there is machine work needed to the TD04 CHRA and exhaust manifold. That is the reason you see different balancing sheets. As for balanced and machined in house I am 99% sure that is false. He is having a third party machine shop do the work and then a 3rd party person balance the units. That would be expected for an operation his size and nothing wrong with it. This is what I have gathered but who knows the truth.

Seeing as there is a disassembled CHRA in one of the photos I wouldn't be surprised if they did their own balancing. All it requires is a small balancing machine (cheap when used) and a dremel.

[fredcase]

No VMR balance machine, no care. I have a bunch of cores, and a machine shop. Want me to take some pics? And advertise as made in Canada?

[lwgrenier]

I feel like balancing is one of the least complicated aspects of turbo manufacturing. Unless the CHRA parts or assembly are crap and there is lots of runout... then it would be difficult.

It takes me maybe 1.5 weeks to program and mill a new MFS compressor wheel. Balancing the same part takes a couple hours max, and once everything is set up it takes about a minute.

[blaster3500]

Originally Posted by lwgrenier

I feel like balancing is one of the least complicated aspects of turbo manufacturing. Unless the CHRA parts or assembly are crap and there is lots of runout... then it would be difficult.

It takes me maybe 1.5 weeks to program and mill a new MFS compressor wheel. Balancing the same part takes a couple hours max, and once everything is set up it takes about a minute.

low speed balance a n54 turbo and see how long it lasts.

[lwgrenier]

Originally Posted by blaster3500

low speed balance a n54 turbo and see how long it lasts.

I understand it's not low speed balancing, but the concept is the same.

[blaster3500]

Originally Posted by lwgrenier

I understand it's not low speed balancing, but the concept is the same.

A good VSR is not cheap.

[lwgrenier]

Originally Posted by blaster3500

A good VSR is not cheap.

It's all relative, compared to most manufacturing equipment they are not, especially used. I'm not saying they do balance the turbos, just that it wouldn't be that surprising if they did as it is not as complicated as people seem to be making it out to be. But you're right, DAW is small enough that they probably outsource balancing.

[KnighTT]

This was pulled up here or on another DAW thread. The VSR balancing machine is about $30k.

[lwgrenier]

Originally Posted by KnighTT

This was pulled up here or on another DAW thread. The VSR balancing machine is about $30k.

Which is inexpensive when you compare it to the vertical, soft bearing machine my company just purchased for ~$200k.