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06-01-2009, 12:49 PM | #1 |
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Porterfield R4-S Pads are fast
I don't like to spend money my car. I prefer to spend money on seat time. But, after I got a talk from my tech about how he doesn't know how long free brakes every 5k miles will last, I was pushed to do something. Instead of buying BMW pads, I opted to see what HPAutowerks had on the shelf for my 335.
Recently, I've pulled back on how hard I push at the big-track. Previous to about 5 events ago, I would go out there with the goal of getting the tires to talk to me at nearly 95% of their traction limit. Now, I'm driving at right below the point where the tires talk to me. I'm basically slowing down to go faster. Also, as I discovered over the weekend, I'm not good with having braking markers and I still have room for improvement with my brake application. I say all this as a long asterisk to the idea that the stock pads are the weak point in the BMW brakes. I think if I was a better driver, and yes I know that means carrying more speed into braking zones, the stock pads would not overheat. On the last day of a 3 day driving bonanza, I had my gf install Porter field R4S on all four corners of my car. They were noticeably different than the stock pads. For 2 days, I was very accustomed to the amount of pedal pressure to threshold brake on the stock pads. On the 3rd day, with new pads, that same amount of pedal pressure gave almost as much slowing as the stock pads. At first, I thought it had something to do with my having bedded in the pads just an hour or two prior. Or maybe they need to get some heat into them to work at full potential. But, after my first few attempts to get on the brakes a car or two deeper than the previous lap, I found that the pads have a second level of grab. When I would have that oh-shit moment in my head where I realize I'm not gonna get whoa'd down in time and I give it more pedal, which would usually lead to ABS kicking in on the stock pads, the Porterfields bit in harder, making up for my lack of skill. Or, times when I planned on giving it 9/10 braking from the start of the braking zone, the car would just stand on its nose, and I'd get slowed down in time for a super clean turn-in with no drama. I think a reason why I haven't learned to pick up visual braking markers is: every braking zone with the stock pads at their limit is an adventure. By that I mean the stock pads don't feel identical from one angry lap to the next. Sometimes they are sufficiently cooled down and I end up getting too much braking done too soon. That results in having to coast to turn-in. Or, the pads will overheat/fade mid way through threshold braking and I'll have a mini panic attack that may or may not involve some ABS and/or scrubbing through entry. These Porterfield pads were consistent every time. Which I think is a pretty big deal at the real "fastest road in the west". Anecdote: First session on Sunday, I was getting accustomed to the pads cause I didn't know what to expect. Second session, I should have been black flagged because of my confidence/comfort in the braking zones. I would close up from 100 feet back to half car length in the big braking zones. I was told by my instructor that: "all the instructors were watching you and talking about your lack of etiquette in that session. Being that close is not ok at this level. Don’t be surprised if the Chief Driving Instructor pulls you aside." That’s kinda all that my skill level was aware of in terms of differences between stock and Porterfield R4-S:
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06-05-2009, 04:34 PM | #4 |
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I run R4Es in the rear and they're great. Very consistent. Watch getting that close though, it can get interesting
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06-18-2009, 11:04 PM | #5 |
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How is the brake dust level for street use? More or less than oem pads? Harold |
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06-19-2009, 08:44 AM | #7 | |
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I think its really cool that the "cold feel" of the brakes is identical to stock. The only noticable difference in performance is that they get better the harder you stand on them. Same as stock. Zero. Even with forgetting to use no-squeek lube goo when installing. |
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06-19-2009, 03:07 PM | #9 |
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Thats really great to hear, how many miles have you put on them?
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also they bite HARD when cold as well! no heart stopping moments in the morning |
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Are you referring to noise when commuting or when driving hot laps? |
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03-09-2011, 03:36 PM | #17 |
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Nice review - good information to tuck away when I need pads.
I have to admit that I had to read "On the last day of a 3 day driving bonanza, I had my gf install Porter field R4S on all four corners of my car." a couple times as I tried to visualize how that works exactly! Bravo sir! |
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For commute they are great. Little dust, no noise. Similar to the Cool carbons I had before. But CC did not last very long. Hey Chuckwalla is NEXT WEEKEND. We can compare notes then. |
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The howl may be from the slotted/drilled rotors. How well did the RB 2-piece rotor and R4S pads combo work out for you at the Roval? That track would typically destroy a set of so called dustless performance pads in just a couple of days, in your case the Cool Carbons. |
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03-10-2011, 05:21 PM | #21 | |
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I fail to see where anyone put down CC pads in this thread all everyone was doing was stating the observations they had by running different pads. I have CC's now and will be looking for an alternative pad when it needs replacing because i was not happy with the pads. Not everyone will love CC's like you seem to do. Why is it with any brake pad thread you always jump in and pretty much try to sell CC pads to everyone. I for one am glad HP Autowerk posted because they are suspension guru's that actually track their cars and race them professionally unlike some vendors who claim to be suspension experts. |
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03-11-2011, 12:51 AM | #22 | |
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As of today, I'm sure I've made the right choice. Unless I've gotten faster. In which case, I maybe should have selected a pad more towards the "race" end of the spectrum. |
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