[vilord]

Have folks in here driven Teslas?
Thinking Model S and Model 3, not X or Y or roadster.

I did not enjoy the drive in the 2018 440i I test drove, it was powerful but disconnected and a little boring. Went out and bought another E91 instead.

Does the Tesla feel disconnected like that?

I rode in the back of a Model 3 and it felt like a very expensive Civic... not the experience I'm going for.

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If you feel disconnected in a 440i, you're going to feel even more disconnected in a Tesla.

[mecheng77]

I drove a 440i and it felt big, the 340i felt much better, a lot more agile

[Gamb1t]

i8 or the Taycan of you want decent driving dynamics from EV car.

[vilord]

Both are beyond what I would ever spend on a car... I'd rather buy a summer or winter home than a supercar.

I guess I can hope for good driving dynamics from whatever i4 comes out in a couple years... Or maybe upgrade the suspension and battery on an a3 e-tron

[colorado.e9x]

Originally Posted by vilord

Both are beyond what I would ever spend on a car... I'd rather buy a summer or winter home than a supercar.

I guess I can hope for good driving dynamics from whatever i4 comes out in a couple years... Or maybe upgrade the suspension and battery on an a3 e-tron

Just curious, is it the design of the i8 that makes it a supercar? Its not much faster than a 335 imo

[Leucosticte]

Originally Posted by colorado.e9x

Just curious, is it the design of the i8 that makes it a supercar? Its not much faster than a 335 imo

I think its more the price combined with design, lol.

[ctuna]

The only way to find out is to go out an drive one.(Tesla)
I think most would be instantly seduced but the liquid smooth
fierce acceleration. Model 3 should be ridiculously good in the
corners.

[krhodes1]

Originally Posted by ctuna

The only way to find out is to go out an drive one.(Tesla)
I think most would be instantly seduced but the liquid smooth
fierce acceleration. Model 3 should be ridiculously good in the
corners.

Only if you only care about straight-line speed. If that was my kink, I would be driving a Dodge Demon. Fast, and exciting too. Going fast in a Tesla is boring.

[krhodes1]

Originally Posted by vilord

Have folks in here driven Teslas?
Thinking Model S and Model 3, not X or Y or roadster.

I did not enjoy the drive in the 2018 440i I test drove, it was powerful but disconnected and a little boring. Went out and bought another E91 instead.

Does the Tesla feel disconnected like that?

I rode in the back of a Model 3 and it felt like a very expensive Civic... not the experience I'm going for.

Very good friends of mine have an S (the second they have had) and a 3. I've driven them quite a bit. Yup, they are fast in a straight line. They corner fine, but you are ALWAYS aware of the weight. I find the golf cart whine to be highly annoying, they have rather loud wind and road noise, and I would much prefer to listen to my inline six singing Wagner through the BMW Performance Intake and Exhaust.

They also have the build quality of a cheap Chinese toy, are hideously expensive for what you actually get, and all three have been hilariously unreliable. But they don't use gas! I don't see the point, at this point. I can see a cheap EV as a dedicated commuter car though. Like an eSmart.

But ultimately, you need to go test drive one and see if what they do does it for you. It sure doesn't for me. Sadly nearly all modern cars are a bit disconnected - that is the price of refinement.

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Originally Posted by colorado.e9x

Just curious, is it the design of the i8 that makes it a supercar? Its not much faster than a 335 imo

It's a really, really fun car to drive. I can say that much.

[Jesda]

Originally Posted by colorado.e9x

Just curious, is it the design of the i8 that makes it a supercar? Its not much faster than a 335 imo

Materials, engineering, technology.

It doesnt make for a faster car but it does preview the future.

[El Cheapo Loco]

You should look into your insurance costs as well. Teslas are ridiculously expensive to insure, at least where I live. What you save in fuel is spent on insurance.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by El Cheapo Loco

You should look into your insurance costs as well. Teslas are ridiculously expensive to insure, at least where I live. What you save in fuel is spent on insurance.

Interesting. Curious as to why?

[Tambohamilton]

Autopilot. If they're anything like me, the insurance companies are waiting to find out whether a Tesla will kill its occupants in order to save more lives (logically the best outcome), and what the occupants' families will think of that...

[NGEE]

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

Autopilot. If they're anything like me, the insurance companies are waiting to find out whether a Tesla will kill its occupants in order to save more lives (logically the best outcome), and what the occupants' families will think of that...

Ridiculous. A computer can do better than Jeremy Bentham. Most humans will instinctively kill their occupants in order to save a dog or even a deer.

But autopilot is likely the reason for higher rates simply because mistrust.

Or perhaps simply because they can, and the owners will pay it.

[S65Hunter]

The driving dynamics of the tesla is quite boring, how ever when my sister bough one she didnt know what ludicrous mode was.....until I showed her. She had no clue her car could be that fast.

[ctuna]

I priced the Insurance for Tesla's it was higher but not to
the point of being excessive.
If you are Young and have points against your driving record
everything would be expensive . Especially high powered expensive
cars. I think part of the reason beside the obvious one is that they
cost more is repair costs are high especially on the aluminum body
parts. You can't reshape aluminum as far as I know.

[Tambohamilton]

Originally Posted by NGEE

A computer can do better than Jeremy Bentham. Most humans will instinctively kill their occupants in order to save a dog or even a deer.

But autopilot is likely the reason for higher rates simply because mistrust.

Exactly.

[El Cheapo Loco]

Originally Posted by ctuna

I priced the Insurance for Tesla's it was higher but not to
the point of being excessive.
If you are Young and have points against your driving record
everything would be expensive . Especially high powered expensive
cars. I think part of the reason beside the obvious one is that they
cost more is repair costs are high especially on the aluminum body
parts. You can't reshape aluminum as far as I know.

I can't say what's considered excessive but a model 3 costs more to insure than a Lexus GS, BMW 4 series, Infiniti Q50, Charger Scat Pak. For a family of 2 adults and 1 teen, the difference is about $2k a year.

I also believe the repair cost is the reason behind the higher insurance rate. There are very few places that can repair a Tesla.

[ctuna]

I am guessing the teen is half the 2k.
Mine estimate was 50 bucks more a month for a 3
and 100 buck more a month for a S from state farm.
But I have two cars now and am only paying about 50 to
60 bucks a month on each with Home insurance bundled
in.
I am old don't drive that much and have a clean record
for years. Also in Cali.
Other new cars I was looking at where about 10 to 20 bucks more
a month.

[Gamb1t]

Originally Posted by El Cheapo Loco

I also believe the repair cost is the reason behind the higher insurance rate. There are very few places that can repair a Tesla.

Tesla has 8 years warranty IIRC. Dump it before that. Also the mechanic comes to you! Not sure how the logistics work.... underbody work....During winter?

Anyway driving experience is not limited to some numbers on paper. It's about the driver and vehicle synergy...the mechanical vibration, the noise resulting from thousands of small explosions that channel through intricately designed exhaust manifold....to the steering and shift tactility on the road that is not easily measured by instruments.
EVs simply are unable to replicate these.

Do you want to drive or driven?