ASR Engineering 335/135 Twin Ballbearing Turbo Upgrades Completed

stressdoc · 12-08-2008, 06:47 PM

Wow. This is gonna be great!

Kev · 12-08-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

of course...

Notice he said they will run the car in a stock map. I want to know what kind of tune they are going to drop into the car. Also what kind of fuel system are we looking at?

ohsnapITZe92 · 12-08-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by McLuVan

so wait this thing comes with it's own tune?

i believe theyre gonna be running it with PROcede

NatesGr8 · 12-08-2008, 07:01 PM

I might have to get a 335 just so I can install these things! Good luck with the testing. I'll be looking forward to hear and see your progress

Nebster · 12-08-2008, 07:12 PM

watching

cn555ic · 12-08-2008, 07:17 PM

Wow just posted today and already so many views with interest...Going to be a money maker for them for sure!!!

midlife · 12-08-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cn555ic

Wow just posted today and already so many views with interest...Going to be a money maker for them for sure!!!

as with all after market products, sucess depends on:
price, reliability, and customer service.
...of course being first does not hurt either.

ASR is said to be pros, so i am hopeful.

McLuVan · 12-08-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by branabolic

c'mon mcluvan... you're better than that

yeah
I know
but last night I saw a is350 supercharger kit without a tune
thinking about it since

branabolic · 12-08-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by midlife

as with all after market products, sucess depends on:
price, reliability, and customer service.
...of course being first does not hurt either.

AMS is said to be pros, so i am hopeful.

wait, are ASR and AMS affiliated?

Ryan@Motorwerks · 12-08-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by branabolic

wait, are ASR and AMS affiliated?

No

BaLLzZz · 12-08-2008, 07:53 PM

Both GREAT company's. Would trust either for a turbo upgrade. Cannot wait to get some data on these bad boys and supporting mods etc.

Digital.James · 12-08-2008, 08:00 PM

Being first to the market always has it's benefits...

I'm glad you're tapping the knowledge of a longtime (relatively) N54 tuner, Shiv.

Works out great for me because I already have a PROcede. Another reason not to go JB now.

Dan335i · 12-08-2008, 08:01 PM

They have to some how retune the ECU if they are swapping out the twin turbo,s for a bigger single unit.You cant do that without re-mapping the ECU or use some kind of stand alone unit.There is also a lot more involved in it also.Maybe a different fuel pump, then theres the intake manifold,fuel injustors,etc,etc.Its just not as easy as replacing the turbo.

BaLLzZz · 12-08-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan335i

They have to some how retune the ECU if they are swapping out the twin turbo,s for a bigger single unit.You cant do that without re-mapping the ECU or use some kind of stand alone unit.There is also a lot more involved in it also.Maybe a different fuel pump, then theres the intake manifold,fuel injustors,etc,etc.Its just not as easy as replacing the turbo.

Dan they already said for the max use of the power upgrade a new fueling system is necessary. Also it depends on what route they are going maybe the stock ecu with a piggy has enough to deal with all the changes or a standalone unit is necessary im sure all these things that have been thoroughly discussed already.

BavarianBullet · 12-08-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by midlife

+100

alot (maybe more than 50%) of us have the 6 speed auto.
how is the auto going to hold up ??

also, if we do not want the full (stage) aSR kit, but just want your basic turbo upgrade,
can you make the stock plus tune compatitble with JB3 ??
according to the last poll in this forum, there are just as many of us running the BMS JB products as proceede.

thanks

I must say I am impressed with the 6AT. I have a 6MT XI myself but the fact that a number of people have pulled 1.7 or better 60ft times with it and 11sec runs is a testament to how tough it is. I still can't believe no one has blown a torque converter. On other cars TCs tend to rip some fins out with repeated drag launches of heavy cars.

I guess like the other poster said about the block- we'll find out soon enough how tough it is.

FWIW, my 6MT whines a little bit (at just 3k miles now) driving around on stock engine. I've barely thrown but a few hard shifts through it and no drag racing so I have to wonder how many how much power it can really handle. I've driven plenty of 5MT years ago that whined a little like this and held up well but at BMW prices, I'm a little, um, concerned.

From the pictures of the turbos, it looks like they just machined out the stock housings for larger compressor and turbine so I would expect stock-style downpipes would fit as would intake tubing. 3" race downpipes are probably plenty for these turbos but I'm guessing we'll see more than just 4HP gain with a DP-back race exhaust with these babies. (on that note, every aftermarket part like IC, DP, exhaust etc should be a worth a bit more HP).

Fuel system is going to be interesting. The fuel rail doesn't look too difficult to fix but the injectors and fuel pump- yeesh. I'd like to see what they have in mind.

Watching with interest. Good work ASR!

midlife · 12-08-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by branabolic

wait, are ASR and AMS affiliated?

sorry, my bad...i fixed my earlier post already.

NM_BMW · 12-08-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan335i

They have to some how retune the ECU if they are swapping out the twin turbo,s for a bigger single unit.You cant do that without re-mapping the ECU or use some kind of stand alone unit.There is also a lot more involved in it also.Maybe a different fuel pump, then theres the intake manifold,fuel injustors,etc,etc.Its just not as easy as replacing the turbo.

I don't think it is a single snail. Their swapping out the stock snails with a bigger pair of snails, so a piggy can do everything they need.

bubbletea 4 me · 12-08-2008, 08:38 PM

scan through the many pages but wasn't sure if ASR answered about whether the stock engine/block/shaft can even handle what the new turbos are going to put out? it's one thing to have upgraded turbos, but it's another thing when one has to upgrade everything else as well. this is def. very interesting and i'll be keeping my eyes on this..

however, i think it will be hard decision when the next gen M3 comes out with TT V8.. i'm leaning towards the TT V8 for now

Ryan@Motorwerks · 12-08-2008, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan335i

They have to some how retune the ECU if they are swapping out the twin turbo,s for a bigger single unit.You cant do that without re-mapping the ECU or use some kind of stand alone unit.There is also a lot more involved in it also.Maybe a different fuel pump, then theres the intake manifold,fuel injustors,etc,etc.Its just not as easy as replacing the turbo.

No they aren't, they're swapping twins for twins (both using the same housing and probably wastegate)

Vince@ V K Motorwerks · 12-08-2008, 08:49 PM

Congrads on your kit, Abid. It was a pleasure to meet you @SEMA. Your kit looks very promising. Good luck.

hl0m4n · 12-08-2008, 08:56 PM

this is great new guys, worst time to post it up though. gotta finish a 12 page essay for tommorow and im at page 5

. anyhow does this mean our cars are going to be like and sound like this

latebloomer · 12-08-2008, 09:28 PM

Awesome and exciting! Great news.. I am glad you posted with a final product, rather than saying working on turbo kit that comes out decades later.

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