[ArmyBimmerDude]

After looking at the prices on HPF's website, i guess it's a good thing it'll take them 6 months to a year to get this tested and released to the public. We're all going to have to save money bigtime.

(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 1 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG (Clearance) $13,500.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 2 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $18,490.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 3 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $31,995.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 4 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $39,745.00

It's a good thing you'll be making that extra $1k a month being deployed cause i'm sure it's all going to your baby whenever you get back.

[sfgiant415]

wow im jealous. good luck with the project hope you keep us updated

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by scheherazade

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n54 is stronger than n52, right? (alu vs mag, iron sleeves)
e46 m3 has similar power to n54, so pistons/conrods will be similar strength, right? (more tq, less hp)

A built motor involves improved pistons/conrods before deck reinforcement - so internals-wise you'll first be limited by pistons/conrods.

Stock for Sock, the durability of both engines should be similar if they were designed for similar output.
Depending on the pistons/conrods, the N54 could actually have more headroom than stock e46 m3 has - and I'm not saying it *does*, I'm saying it *may*.

No one is saying that the closed deck iron block e46 m3 has less to work with *after being 'built'* than the n54...

-scheherazade

You asked no several times, and the answer is that, no. M engines are built completely different from regular BMW engines. They are insanely over engineered when compared to a standard BMW engine. How can you even compare an iron block to an open aluminum one? You can't.

Don't forget either the absolute staggering difference between the heads. The m3 has a head that supports 1000hp without even a studder. And valves that can take temperatures that would melt every component in an n54.

I'm not saying the n54 isn't going to be able to make power, but don't even for a second compare it to the s54. The s54 needed pistons to drop the compression (probably didn't need the rods, but while you're there its a nice upgrade) and studs, that was it. The n54 is going to need a whole lot more prep work and something is going to need to be done to reinforce the cylinders for sure to match the power the m3 is putting out.

The one thing the n54 has though is an incredible efficiency, making use of the direct injection will be a huge margin once the weak components are sniffed out.



My bet is on <500 hp for a stock motor.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

After looking at the prices on HPF's website, i guess it's a good thing it'll take them 6 months to a year to get this tested and released to the public. We're all going to have to save money bigtime.

(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 1 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG (Clearance) $13,500.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 2 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $18,490.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 3 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $31,995.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 4 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $39,745.00

It's a good thing you'll be making that extra $1k a month being deployed cause i'm sure it's all going to your baby whenever you get back.

Dollar for horsepower the HPF kits are as cheap or cheaper then the supercharger kits out there (for the m3), plus they have gobs more torque. Also keep in mind the amount of components that come with the kit is staggering, here's a small list :
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/View...Details=E46_M3



Also what you guys don't know yet is that HPF support and customer service is absolutely unrivaled, you wont find an unhappy customer. Something breaks a new part to fix it is there the next day. Things like that need to be understood to get the true value of the price.

[AYF80]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

After looking at the prices on HPF's website, i guess it's a good thing it'll take them 6 months to a year to get this tested and released to the public. We're all going to have to save money bigtime.

(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 1 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG (Clearance) $13,500.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 2 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $18,490.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 3 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $31,995.00
(01-06) BMW M3 Stage 4 - Left Hand Drive - Non SMG $39,745.00

It's a good thing you'll be making that extra $1k a month being deployed cause i'm sure it's all going to your baby whenever you get back.

Yeah ill be droping a few Bucks.

[AYF80]

Originally Posted by O-cha

You asked no several times, and the answer is that, no. M engines are built completely different from regular BMW engines. They are insanely over engineered when compared to a standard BMW engine. How can you even compare an iron block to an open aluminum one? You can't.

Don't forget either the absolute staggering difference between the heads. The m3 has a head that supports 1000hp without even a studder. And valves that can take temperatures that would melt every component in an n54.

I'm not saying the n54 isn't going to be able to make power, but don't even for a second compare it to the s54. The s54 needed pistons to drop the compression (probably didn't need the rods, but while you're there its a nice upgrade) and studs, that was it. The n54 is going to need a whole lot more prep work and something is going to need to be done to reinforce the cylinders for sure to match the power the m3 is putting out.

The one thing the n54 has though is an incredible efficiency, making use of the direct injection will be a huge margin once the weak components are sniffed out.



My bet is on <500 hp for a stock motor.

Your absolutely correct my friend, they do have a lot of work to do to make it strong…. And that’s exactly what they are going to do “A lot of work” but don’t worry whatever needs to be done WILL be done to achieve the demands of their customers, Especially the people who don’t think they can do it... the more people who say they can’t do it...The Faster they say Watch Me. I love HPF, my good friend J was their 8th or 9th Stage 2 customer and they treat him like a king. This is how I met them and got the hook up.
Anyone who buys kits or parts from them is almost like part of their family. If the kit is done and 6 months later JP digs out 60 more HP.... Everyone get a call to send in their Custom ECU over night and its back the next.

[AYF80]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Dollar for horsepower the HPF kits are as cheap or cheaper then the supercharger kits out there (for the m3), plus they have gobs more torque. Also keep in mind the amount of components that come with the kit is staggering, here's a small list :
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/View...Details=E46_M3



Also what you guys don't know yet is that HPF support and customer service is absolutely unrivaled, you wont find an unhappy customer. Something breaks a new part to fix it is there the next day. Things like that need to be understood to get the true value of the price.

Man, that post alone is enough to make people understand that they are about to be offered the Sweetest Mother Fucking Single Turbo kit that most likely will ever be out for the 335i. If anyone else comes close.....they will just show us the next trick up their sleeves.

Guys read that parts list and click on the parts….and read, you’ll be amazed and realize just how must time and creativity went into this kit and you Should see that their prices are justified. I don’t have to talk them up..You already know, the kits and Brand sells itself.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by HPF 335i #1

Anyone who buys kits or parts from them is almost like part of their family. If the kit is done and 6 months later JP digs out 60 more HP.... Everyone get a call to send in their Custom ECU over night and its back the next.

Yea I know I have a stage 3. Considering keeping my 335 to see what they do.

[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by O-cha

How can you even compare an iron block to an open aluminum one? You can't.

Originally Posted by scheherazade

No one is saying that the closed deck iron block e46 m3 has less to work with *after being 'built'* than the n54...

I think we agree.
Once you replace internals, then the deck should be an issue for the n54.

Originally Posted by O-cha

The s54 needed pistons to drop the compression (probably didn't need the rods, but while you're there its a nice upgrade) and studs, that was it.

Originally Posted by O-cha

Don't forget either the absolute staggering difference between the heads. The m3 has a head that supports 1000hp without even a studder. And valves that can take temperatures that would melt every component in an n54.

Originally Posted by scheherazade

Stock for Sock, the durability of both engines should be similar if they were designed for similar output.

My bad.
Your stage 3 is running stock internals other than pistons?

Originally Posted by O-cha

The one thing the n54 has though is an incredible efficiency, making use of the direct injection will be a huge margin once the weak components are sniffed out.

Yeah, I'll be interested to see the difference in mileage.

Originally Posted by O-cha

My bet is on <500 hp for a stock motor.

550 has already been done on stock internals.
ASR did it with meth and a turbo upgrade, and a few folks have run nitrous and done it.

Although we won't know how it lasts till later.

People have run in the 500's whp on stock internals on 4g63's... it lasts a while before it finally breaks. From what I've seen (on that engine) new pistons/rods will get you into the 700's. Don't know what you need after that point to get into the 1000's.

-scheherazade

[GTAutoConcepts]

im so happy they are finally getting to work on this. did they tell you when it will all be done?

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by scheherazade

I think we agree.
Once you replace internals, then the deck should be an issue for the n54.

Originally you were saying its the same as the s54, puts pistons and rods and it can go all day, and that's not the case, it will need a lot more upgrades to support anything near the s54. I can't really tell if you are changing your opinion or not because half your sentences don't make sense.

Originally Posted by scheherazade

My bad.
Your stage 3 is running stock internals other than pistons?

All 2.5+ run pistons rods and studs.

Originally Posted by scheherazade

Yeah, I'll be interested to see the difference in mileage.

The direct injection comment isn't about mileage its about usable timing.



Why are we having this discussion?

[GreenPlease]

The direct injection comment isn't about mileage its about usable timing.

Exactly. Unfortunately, I think they are going to need custom injectors as well as a new pump

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Watching the HPF M3's on Youtube makes me want to sell my car and get an E46, which is what I intended to do before I saw a 335 for the first time...

[AYF80]

Me too, I was gunna sell...then come back and get E46. But now, Why? lol i already have the car...just wait for the kit.

[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Originally you were saying its the same as the s54, puts pistons and rods and it can go all day, and that's not the case, it will need a lot more upgrades to support anything near the s54. I can't really tell if you are changing your opinion or not because half your sentences don't make sense.

I thought that without new internals there exists a possibility that the n54 could have more to work with (because it was strengthened from the n52).
However with nowhere hear the max (built) potential because it's not iron.

But unless they manage to do the ~700hp mark with new fuel system + larger turbo +meth (e46 non built max), I'll be totally wrong.

From your comments, I'm expecting to be wrong.

Originally Posted by O-cha

The direct injection comment isn't about mileage its about usable timing.

Sorry, I thought by 'efficiency' you meant fuel efficiency.

Originally Posted by O-cha

Why are we having this discussion?

Started with a rude comment + me not knowing why I got it.
In any case, doesn't matter.

Thanks for better informing me about the M3.

-scheherazade

[GreenPlease]

makes me want to sell my car and get an E46

I can't tell you how many times I've almost done exactly that (and I've got a 335i)

[easy2speed]

Originally Posted by GreenPlease

I can't tell you how many times I've almost done exactly that (and I've got a 335i)

If all you care about is power, maybe, but the 335i makes the E46 M3 look old and outdated. The interior is out-classed as well. Plus, with the money spent on a turbo kit, you could buy another fast car and keep the 335i you already have.

[hun77777]

i'll check back with you in 3 months. i contacted hpf back in summer of last year and they were planning on 335i back then. didn't happen for awhile and they are finally making a big step. did you get rough eta? this year? next year?

[SpaceGhost]

Should be an awesome ride when complete. Please post pics and updates as you get them.

Stay safe in the sandbox.
Remember: There are no friendlies. Complacency kills.

Godspeed.

[AYF80]

HPF told me they are hoping eight months for completion. I will post pictures as well, but HPF will be doing most of that since I won’t be around...they will have videos on their sight just like the M3.

[AYF80]

Latest update: Intake Manifold has finished the design faze. They have just started on the Electronics, for the Standalone ECU.

Sweet!

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by HPF 335i #1

Latest update: Intake Manifold has finished the design faze. They have just started on the Electronics, for the Standalone ECU.

Sweet!

SIIICK. PICS? PICS?