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07-18-2019, 10:35 AM | #23 |
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thanks for the reply. I'm supercharging my manual e91 and bob said on the phone that they have had clutches fail. but ill be putting a new clutch in the car and was worried i need to upgrade beyond a fresh clutch.
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07-18-2019, 07:04 PM | #24 |
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Shop did a smoke test, no leaks anywhere in the system. They also looked at the pins going to the MAF and are squeaky clean. They were getting 14.88 AFR which is way too lean. They suspect fuel injector issues, so they are swapping back the N52 ones to see if AFR changes. If that doesn't work; have no idea what's next? The injectors were used so maybe that's it? I do know the car ran great with the stock injectors and 120mm pulley but I think the limp mode was caused by the bad change pipe and TB side leak. Maybe the AFR issues are all injector related, but why does the car seem fine some times and complete trash others? I do still have the fuel pump that came with the V1 kit if that might be an issue. Pm me your email and I can send you logs!
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07-18-2019, 09:29 PM | #26 |
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I reviewed a bit and replied to your email. Let's take this to the email route until you resolve the problem.
PS, did you send the injectors out for cleaning, blueprinting and matching? Never blindly throw in used injectors. |
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07-19-2019, 11:40 AM | #27 |
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S65 Injectors were bench tested and fine. N52 injectors made the car even worst while they were in. Shop thinks the tune is causing the issue. Talked to Bob and said the car might not be getting enough fuel based on what the pulley is pumping out. He's bumping fueling up 20% to see if that helps. He said a few N52 Z4s he's tuned are pushing 10-11 psi with the 110mm pulley at 7200, so its quite possible there's an issue causing it lean. I'm going to flash the new tune and see if that moves us into the right direction. Getting the P3 vent gauge next week and hopefully dyno next weekend. We can dial the tune in once it's on there showing real data if all's good.
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07-20-2019, 08:23 AM | #28 |
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I decided to give her a 20 mile ride yesterday and BANG, this damn hose pops out again. Can't accelerate. Can't do a damn thing. For whatever reason, all I could think was Michael f$%kng Coates lmfao. I'm rooting for you to figure out the tuning... would be great to drive this thing without biting my lip.
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I'll get more miles on the car and let it fully adapt. Get a new charge pipe Lee!
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Without deleting the CDV (clutch delay valve) the clutch will slip a TON every time you let off the pedal while giving it hard throttle. I had a lot of that while my car was stock, deleted that stupid valve and all has been well since. I really don't think you would need much more than a stronger pressure plate if you do have issues. What kit is everyone running? Which version and which supercharger? I'm running the new kit with ESS' G1 supercharger, a 115mm pulley and the supplied S65 injectors. |
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For the record, I ran the ESS kit with 120mm pulley, custom MAFless tune and S65 injectors.
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I've had a very easy go of it. Four and a half hours to install and everything running well. My SC is leaking a bit more oil on the compressor side than I'm comfortable with so they're sending me a new unit. The car is fine to drive and the CS isn't low on oil at all, this is more a matter of preventing problems in the future. It'll take an hour to swap so no biggie. I haven't had any tune issues nor problems with I'll fitting components
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07-26-2019, 07:30 AM | #35 |
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Figured I would share an update. The problem definitely does seem like it's only occurring when the car temps (oil temp) goes past 210. Bob thinks maybe it might be related to enrichment fueling to protect the CATs? Car runs like a dream until the rich conditions or bouncing idle hits when it's hot. Also had an instance where car was 11 AFR while cruising and when i tried to give a little throttle it would go down in the 10s, felt terrible. I do have logs of that. Here's a situation that happened yesterday.
I took the car out yesterday for food, in the drivethru idle stumbled hard once sitting temp went past 210. Actually thought it was going to stall out, turned on the AC full blast thinking the fan on high duty would lower the engine temps and the wild idle slowed and then stopped. I was in the drive through for 20 minutes (yeah i know!) first 5 minutes engine was below 210 and idle stable; - few minutes later, engine past 210 and idle bouncing, turned AC on, seemed to immediately help a little. I did also take it off AC when the idle was still bouncing and just had the fan running on the highest setting, car went super bizurk, much harder bouncing and faster so I pressed AC button and it finally smoothed out. Again I didn't have the datalogger so no clue what was happening but I'll try and replicate today. Sounds weird right? I also notice the car is cooler than normal after these last couple of revisions, sits just north of 210 around 220. I wonder if I was lean through my last BPC tune as well making the car run hotter, it would always run around 240-250 when fully warmed up.
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07-26-2019, 08:35 AM | #36 |
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I installed the new hose yesterday. Since its actually attached its noticeably better. Did a supercharger maintenance. Still have random idle and running issues. I may go in for a custom tune when my new suspension is in. If things continue after that I'm taking it off.
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I was going to drive 60 miles today to P3 to get the boost gauge installed and while the car was cool and being datalogged I'm super lean with any throttle (17-20 AFR) and while idling stationary in drive I'm rich (10-12 AFR)
I don't trust this enough to take it 5 miles from my house let alone 60, I don't know if I have the energy anymore to keep going. Shops keep telling me it's a tuning issue not sure what to do at this point. Something I did notice is when I pop it in neutral the car goes back to commanded AFR at 14.5-14.7 and idle is smooth, not sure if there's a significance to this or if it's even important data. I sat stationary for 15 minutes but couldn't replicate the bouncing idle but also couldn't get the car to get above 210 on the oil temp gauge. Again can't even confirm if this is related since my issues are so random. Uuuggghhhh! This was suppose to be a quick PnP fun install to mess around with this summer!!!
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07-26-2019, 10:52 AM | #39 |
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That's what I thought too but the idle seemed smoother with AC on?
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If everything is running correctly, you can't alter the coolant temp by turning on the heater vs the AC. The DME controls the coolant temp and has multiple programmed temperatures. Something like 90-105. Economy mode vs power. |
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I grabbed lunch and came back to start my car, for 15 minutes it's been reading steady dead nuts on AFR commanded to metered. Haha like is said so random
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07-26-2019, 11:45 AM | #42 |
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your fuel trims look a lot better than before (+/- 11 vs +/-25), I just need to make a few more adjustments to the fuel scaling. Also just a side note your intake air temps are really high and that data is read before the blower. That can also cause issues with ignition timing and fueling. The AFR command during part throttle is correct, however at idle its not and as the intake air temp sensor heat soaks at idle it gets closer to the correct intake air temp thats post blower and the AFR starts to match. This is another big issue with the ESS kit that it does not relocate the intake air temp sensor post blower where it should be.
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