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07-26-2010, 02:47 PM | #45 | |
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Why you crying? What part of this not pertaining to the topic don't you get? There's a Politics/Religion sub-forum. I'd prefer if those posts stay over there. Did Doug ever mention religion in this thread? No, yet you had to go attack him and then rant about religion. Obviously you have some issues with him. Why don't you go talk about it in the right threads? I'm not saying I have a right to say where and what you should post, but I would think it's common forum etiquette/decency to at least address it in the proper forum/thread(s). Evidently, that novel concept escapes you. Bad attitude? Pot kettle black.
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07-26-2010, 03:16 PM | #49 | |
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07-26-2010, 03:43 PM | #52 |
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Without stating my beliefs, proving the existence of aliens and god are two different things.
We will never be able to prove there is a god for obvious reasons. There is only belief there. Calculating the probability of alien existence is a degree of how much we know about the contents of the universe, which just so happens to be abysmally small at the moment. Therefore, we have the ability to eventually prove there is E.T. life |
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07-26-2010, 04:10 PM | #53 | ||
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Calculating the probability of alien life is impossible, which was my point. You have to find it, or wait until it finds you. You cannot logically just assume it's there. The most famous "calculation" for the probability of alien life is the Drake equation. http://www.setileague.org/general/drake.htm I don't know if you're familiar with it or not, so I'm posting it just in case. Now, looking at the equation itself: Quote:
In order to make fi and fl non-zero you either have to: 1. Find incontrovertible proof of alien life. or 2. Take a leap of faith. Since #1 has not been done, #2 is required for the equation to work. The point of all my previous posts in this thread is that scientific proof does not work off of faith (hypotheses aside). The only ways to prove alien life exists are: 1. First contact. 2. Observation of alien life itself, or other indisputable proof of it, such as alien architecture, transport, infrastructure, etc. 3. Paleontological evidence of alien life. 4. Archeological evidence of alien life. I've probably missed a few, but you get my gist. Another problem is that all of the values at present are just guesses. All in all, until either god or aliens make an appearance, it's unknown whether or not it's possible to prove either exist. That said, I suspect we'll see ETI before we see a god, but I have no scientific or logical reason to back that suspicion up. |
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07-26-2010, 04:34 PM | #54 |
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It is statistically, virtually impossible for there to not be life elsewhere in the universe. No one ever said it necessarily had to be intelligent life.
Also, I think it is a huge mistake to assume that life can only exist on "Earth-like" planets. |
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07-26-2010, 04:49 PM | #55 |
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I did a quick google search because I remember hearing about some proof suggesting extraterrestrial life. Was mostly thinking of #8 and #9. May not be solid proof, but I'm a believer that life exists in the universe. Intelligent life is another question, but I'd be more surprised if the universe was devoid of life; even bacteria and such.
8. 2003, Sulphur traces on Jupiter’s moon Europa may be the waste products of underground bacterial colonies 9. 2004, Methane in the Martian atmosphere hints at microbial metabolism http://freepressinternational.com/20...restrial-life/ |
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07-26-2010, 05:05 PM | #56 | |
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07-26-2010, 05:08 PM | #57 | |
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but I agree with this. |
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07-26-2010, 07:58 PM | #58 |
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I see your point where we can assume life exists but cannot prove it without finding it. However, the conditions exist where it is possible for there to be aliens, but the same cannot be said about god, no?
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It was never my intention to turn this into a theological debate, I merely brought up god as an expedient parallel to use for the sake of analogy. Here are my thoughts on this subject: Quote:
On the other hand, I am agnostic. I do not believe in any god, and certainly not a personal one, but I don't rule it out either, as god can neither be proven or disproven. Quote:
What exactly would the prerequisite conditions for an omnipotent being be? Again, I'm not trying to prove one way or the other that god, or aliens, or the toothfairy, or Dick Clark exist, or don't exist. I was just pointing out logical discrepancies in how dogmatic some people are when it comes to these matters. Last edited by radix; 07-26-2010 at 09:29 PM.. |
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07-27-2010, 08:58 AM | #60 | |
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To reinterpret your point, yes, I also believe we'll find ETI first due to the fact that over time the our odds will increase having charted out the universe more. |
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07-27-2010, 09:06 AM | #61 |
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my believe is there are many life forms out there in the universe and there is absolutely 0% chance that we are alone.
but up until now, there is no alien ever visit earth due to the vast distance. all the alien/ufo crab are just hoax IMO. I think human will be the first to visit other planet outside of the solar system assume we don't kill ourselves in ww3 and we will be the first to find ET, but not for atleast another 50-100 years. LOL I think the world are not taking space serious enough. terrorists should be eliminate for good and every country can unite, focus, spend more on space. i have a feeling the space elevator will revolutionize space because it will allow us to build massive thing in space at a much lower costs. you know size does matter. instead of travelling to the nearest star in a ship with only enough space for 6 people, we can have a 1km long ship that can carry hundreds and provide all the amenities like on earth for these astronauts. I hope we can have a ship ready for alpha centauri in 100-150 years. man, i won't live long enough to see all this amazing stuffs that human can build in the future. what a shame. Last edited by graider; 07-27-2010 at 09:15 AM.. |
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07-27-2010, 09:47 AM | #62 |
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what if none of you actually exist? what if everything i've ever known is a false reality? who are you to tell me otherwise? you certainly can't, you're a figment of my imagination. WHO FARTED?
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07-30-2010, 09:19 AM | #66 |
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^ That does blow your mind. In the end though we're probably just someone's pet experiment....lol.
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