[sirleeofroy]

Hi Guys,

So I've gotten used to the remap on my 330D and craving a little more, nothing too mental but after looking around, it seems options for the N57 are limited...

I'm currently at 300+ BHP and looking for anything north of 350bhp which I'll only get with a hybrid turbo and custom remap, the options I have found so far are:

https://hitechperformance.co.uk/packages/bmw/e93-n57d30

This includes the turbo (exchange unit I guess), install and remap as well as a dyno readout before and after.

https://venomhybridturbos.co.uk/coll...t=998538510357

This is just for the turbo (exchange) and it states for the F10 series but I guess it would be ok as it's the exact same engine. I would need to get it fitted as well as arrange a remap.

It's worth noting I have never heard of either of these firms so I have no idea if they are any good or if I should steer clear....

I did look at Turbo Dynamics but they only seem to list turbo's for the M57.....

Does anyone have experience with hybrid turbos on the N57 engine, if so where did you have it done and was it any good?

Any suggestions/feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks

[nomiS330d]

That first one seems a good price for all the work they do!!!! I’ve never looked into it but would have guessed double that! Mines an M57 but I would have thought the price would be similar. My only concern would be can the rest of the running gear take that much more torque reliably? I feel like mines (also mapped) already at its limit.

[rasa bmw]

as said,,its the clutch and dmf that will struggle..or auto box,,although the auto box can handle upto 800 nm..im at the limit on mine 698 nm manual box,,sell it and get a 335d,,

[Chappers 71]

Originally Posted by rasa bmw

sell it and get a 335i,

FTFY

[sirleeofroy]

Originally Posted by rasa bmw

as said,,its the clutch and dmf that will struggle..or auto box,,although the auto box can handle upto 800 nm..im at the limit on mine 698 nm manual box,,sell it and get a 335d,,

DMF will be fine, it's the clutch that's the main issue there. Fortunately there are upgraded clutches for that....

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

FTFY

Lol.... A recent change at work had me thinking this however, the arse has fallen out of diesels so it just wouldn't make sense to get rid of mine now. I think I'll tune it a bit, keep it for a couple more years and just buy an ///M when I do get rid...

[sirleeofroy]

Slightly off topic but I thought I'd throw it out there.... Should I go for an ///M car I've really always wanted an E34 M5, being the last of the hand built motors and all..... Found this thread which is pretty much exactly what I'd want to do....... https://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e3...o-project.html

[ChawenHalo]

Originally Posted by sirleeofroy

Slightly off topic but I thought I'd throw it out there.... Should I go for an ///M car I've really always wanted an E34 M5, being the last of the hand built motors and all..... Found this thread which is pretty much exactly what I'd want to do....... https://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e3...o-project.html

You'd butcher an E34 M5's NA engine (S36/ S38) by sticking blowers on it?!

[sirleeofroy]

Originally Posted by ChawenHalo

You'd butcher an E34 M5's NA engine (S36/ S38) by sticking blowers on it?!

Done the way that guy did in that link, yes I would.

Different strokes and all that.....

[Sukh Singh]

Thread resurrection!

Did you get this done OP?

[sirleeofroy]

Originally Posted by Sukh Singh

Thread resurrection!

Did you get this done OP?

Haha! Resurrection indeed!

I've not yet had this done, with a recent job change and pending house move this has slipped from the top of list of things to get done, I'm hoping to have this done before the year is out but not before I've done some refresh work like bushes all round, carbon clean, checking various pipes and hoses etc.. Once I know all of that is tip-top then I'll go hybrid turbos.

[blueh88]

Hey! I am also looking into a Hybrid albeit for the M57. I personally think an upgraded intercooler would be necessary to get the most out of it and also...an LSD! So that the power can actually be used properly. Just my opinion of course and I guess everyone has their own view.

[rasa bmw]

Originally Posted by blueh88

Hey! I am also looking into a Hybrid albeit for the M57. I personally think an upgraded intercooler would be necessary to get the most out of it and also...an LSD! So that the power can actually be used properly. Just my opinion of course and I guess everyone has their own view.

lsd is overkill imho,,its only needed when launching hard,,but some short shifting can get rid of that..but if you want good launches then get one..expensive though,,everday driving,,ie 3rd gear and up then an lsd is not needed,,

[sirleeofroy]

Originally Posted by rasa bmw

lsd is overkill imho,,its only needed when launching hard,,but some short shifting can get rid of that..but if you want good launches then get one..expensive though,,everday driving,,ie 3rd gear and up then an lsd is not needed,,

It's not just about launching though, an LSD provides traction when cornering hard and even on uneven surfaces where normally my TC light would come on under WOT (obviously suspension plays a part here). A friend of mine who has pretty much the same car as me (mapped N57, FMIC, suspension) has a Quaife LSD installed and when driving his car on the same roads where my TC light would come on, his car did no such thing. In fact, driving his car with the LSD meant that on corners that I would otherwise have to back off slightly (inside wheel would lift slightly), his car I could keep it pinned.

Do you need an LSD? No.... But I would imagine the vast majority of folks here who have mapped motors are also (sensibly) keen drivers and would likely benefit from the additional control offered by an LSD....

[drewhughes]

how have i been searching for ages and not found these two websites.......lol

What you think about adding a stage2 to my 127,000 miler?

Anyone got any exhaust work done? (M57)

[rasa bmw]

Originally Posted by sirleeofroy

It's not just about launching though, an LSD provides traction when cornering hard and even on uneven surfaces where normally my TC light would come on under WOT (obviously suspension plays a part here). A friend of mine who has pretty much the same car as me (mapped N57, FMIC, suspension) has a Quaife LSD installed and when driving his car on the same roads where my TC light would come on, his car did no such thing. In fact, driving his car with the LSD meant that on corners that I would otherwise have to back off slightly (inside wheel would lift slightly), his car I could keep it pinned.

Do you need an LSD? No.... But I would imagine the vast majority of folks here who have mapped motors are also (sensibly) keen drivers and would likely benefit from the additional control offered by an LSD....

yeh thats fine,,but if i wanted a car for the twisties or even track,,i wouldnt of chosen a diesel 330d/335d

[blueh88]

Originally Posted by rasa bmw

yeh thats fine,,but if i wanted a car for the twisties or even track,,i wouldnt of chosen a diesel 330d/335d

Sometimes though, one thing leads to the other...lol. Well for me it did. I started off being content with just a remap. Then naturally, I got bored. Sorted out the suspension. Then some cosmetic stuff. Then audio stuff. Now an LSD/hybrid turbo etc. It is more of a hobby/more interesting to me to tryand improve the current car instead of just swapping and changing every time I got bored.

I would love to have something more focused but life gets in the way as we all know. I personally could not have 2 separate cars for myself for convenience. I want the long distance cruiser. I also want to have capability through the corners where permitted. Obviously it is a compromise but you can make something good out of what you have already got.

From a financial point of view, I am just paying for a hobby on a car I own outright instead of financing more "desirable" stuff.

[blueh88]

Originally Posted by drewhughes

how have i been searching for ages and not found these two websites.......lol

What you think about adding a stage2 to my 127,000 miler?

Anyone got any exhaust work done? (M57)

I think mileage is less relevant than actual condition and how well your car has been maintained.

Exhaust work is a bit of waste to be honest. No real gains and at the end of the day, you cannot make an inline diesel sound good, end of. Hence why you see not as many diesels with exhaust work done, unless it's an VAG TDI V6 or something.

[Sukh Singh]

any body used the two outfits in the links above?

seems a good price..


I wouldnt mind 350bhp but I think the amount of torque correlating to that would eat the clutch as I have a manual

[sirleeofroy]

Originally Posted by Sukh Singh

any body used the two outfits in the links above?

seems a good price..


I wouldnt mind 350bhp but I think the amount of torque correlating to that would eat the clutch as I have a manual

Yep, the stock clutch would struggle with that for sure... which is why I now have a clutch from these guys - http://www.clutch-specialists.co.uk/..._p31014984.htm

I'm hoping to have the turbo done this year, preferably in the next couple of months but other stuff has taken priority...... I will likely take a punt on the guys in Northampton (High Tech Performance) as they seem to have some decent feedback.

[Sukh Singh]

Originally Posted by sirleeofroy

Yep, the stock clutch would struggle with that for sure... which is why I now have a clutch from these guys - http://www.clutch-specialists.co.uk/..._p31014984.htm

I'm hoping to have the turbo done this year, preferably in the next couple of months but other stuff has taken priority...... I will likely take a punt on the guys in Northampton (High Tech Performance) as they seem to have some decent feedback.

Did you upgrade the dmf too?

[sirleeofroy]

Originally Posted by Sukh Singh

Did you upgrade the dmf too?

No, running a standard LUK DMF...

I did search around to see if such a thing existed and found whispers of people upgrading the springs of certain DMF's but I found no such thing for our cars.

I'm sure the life of the DMF will be affected somewhat but I couldn't tell you by how much.... My last DMF did over 100K as it was original from factory so if I get 35K out of this one I'll be more than happy.

[rasa bmw]

mines on original flywheel at 131 k miles,,and when i sold my remapped e46 it had 157k miles and original clutch and flywheel,,its how you drive it ,that will determine how long it lasts,,keep using the lowdown torque and it will lessen its life,,keep in gears for the speed and will last longer..simples