[bimmer pleaser V2]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

It's not a question but a statement.

Please don't take this personal but do you have a source for your stats?

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by bimmer pleaser V2

Please don't take this personal but do you have a source for your stats?

https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2021

[bimmer pleaser V2]

Originally Posted by Murf993

https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2021

Every life is precious but according to your source about 40 of them violence related not 127.

PS also not too sure sending 40 families on a field trip in the middle of a global plague. This thread was supposed to be politics free, specially facebook level nonsense.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by bimmer pleaser V2

Every life is precious but according to your source about 40 of them violence related not 127.

PS also not too sure sending 40 families on a field trip in the middle of a global plague. This thread was supposed to be politics free, specially facebook level nonsense.

I won't make my response political, when an officer dies at work or as a result of work related injuries/illness it is considered "in the line of duty". You can ask yourself if the officers in question were not at work would they have died anyway?

In Canada now, police officers who commit suicide are often recognized as dying of a work related incident or illness, the numbers are pretty high actually. And firefighters who die of many forms of cancer are considered to have died in the line of duty.

Policing is an inherently risky job, the toll is physical and psychological and sometimes fatal. I can tell you that after 30+ years of policing I feel it everyday physically and sometimes emotionally.

If you care to look at the website a bit more you can go back and search different years. I was surprised by the number of COVID related deaths for 2021. Hope this is helpful.

[F30lolz]

About four years ago in Miami a State Trooper pulled over a city/metro squad car for speeding along the FL turnpike and I believe the trooper arrested the officer.

For the officers in here, in your many years of experience, have you pulled over another squad car?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

About four years ago in Miami a State Trooper pulled over a city/metro squad car for speeding along the FL turnpike and I believe the trooper arrested the officer.

For the officers in here, in your many years of experience, have you pulled over another squad car?

Absolutely never! When I was with the CHP, I did once pull over an undercover/unmarked Sheriff vehicle. Verified credentials and he was on his way.

I would love to know how the trooper justified that arrest. There must've been more to it because the mere act of speeding wouldn't even be enough to justify a traffic stop on a marked government vehicle. We don't share communications, so there are 101 reasons why that vehicle may be traveling in excess of the posted speed.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Absolutely never! When I was with the CHP, I did once pull over an undercover/unmarked Sheriff vehicle. Verified credentials and he was on his way.

I would love to know how the trooper justified that arrest. There must've been more to it because the mere act of speeding wouldn't even be enough to justify a traffic stop on a marked government vehicle. We don't share communications, so there are 101 reasons why that vehicle may be traveling in excess of the posted speed.

IMO, the stop was justified; conduct after is a bit iffy.

In all it's glory.

[bimmer pleaser V2]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I won't make my response political, when an officer dies at work or as a result of work related injuries/illness it is considered "in the line of duty". You can ask yourself if the officers in question were not at work would they have died anyway?

In Canada now, police officers who commit suicide are often recognized as dying of a work related incident or illness, the numbers are pretty high actually. And firefighters who die of many forms of cancer are considered to have died in the line of duty.

Policing is an inherently risky job, the toll is physical and psychological and sometimes fatal. I can tell you that after 30+ years of policing I feel it everyday physically and sometimes emotionally.

If you care to look at the website a bit more you can go back and search different years. I was surprised by the number of COVID related deaths for 2021. Hope this is helpful.

I respect the profession as well as all other public servants but you gotta admit posting a pic like the one above (not that you did it) is not helpful. Not only political but also straight up dishonest.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Murf993

https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2021

Except for the six 'heart attacks caused by donut consumption' deaths (and the White House reference), very relevant figures to remember on our day of thanking those who gave their lives.

The breakdown by state is very interesting, too.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by lemetier

IMO, the stop was justified; conduct after is a bit iffy.

In all it's glory.

I thought I saw everything but this one is another topper, cop arresting cop?

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I suspect they won't open up in a group if at all. I rarely talk about the demons and only to a select few.

You are technically correct but we are not in the Demon business. We leave that to the psychiatrists. However, my partner and I are trained in psychology and can deal with little devils.

We had a wonderful evening and the boys were chatty about the politics and bullshit at work. They were just rookies when the murders occurred in Moncton and it still bothers them. The Memorial Anniversary is this Friday.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moncton_shootings

We were also at the receiving end of some pretty funny stories from their day to day patrols to end the evening.

TTFN. Off to work.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by bimmer pleaser V2

I respect the profession as well as all other public servants but you gotta admit posting a pic like the one above (not that you did it) is not helpful. Not only political but also straight up dishonest.

It's a bit of a meme really and it also clearly has political undertones and not very subtle ones at that. I was simply providing you with the information you asked for.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by lemetier

IMO, the stop was justified; conduct after is a bit iffy.

What scares me the most is that a police officer with 6 years on the job pulled over on the left (median) shoulder and not the right shoulder. I'm also seriously worried that a Florida Highway Patrol officer with 20+ years on the job and her backup in the opposite direction lanes are not demonstrating exemplary roadside safety.

I don't work in law enforcement, but know that you are supposed to pull over to the right shoulder! I'm also pretty sure that officers here in NY State are trained about not standing outside a stopped patrol car because of drivers distracted by cell phones as well as those who become target-fixated and collide with patrol cars using flashing strobe lights.

In case anyone was wondering how this story ended, here's a TV news summary:

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by bimmer pleaser V2

Every life is precious but according to your source about 40 of them violence related not 127.

PS also not too sure sending 40 families on a field trip in the middle of a global plague. This thread was supposed to be politics free, specially facebook level nonsense.

OK, I'll fix the "Facebook level nonsense" just for you. YTD 140 in the line of duty deaths and rising.

"Every life is precious"? You know nothing of the real world!!!

https://www.odmp.org

[mahalom3]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

OK, I'll fix the "Facebook level nonsense" just for you. YTD 140 in the line of duty deaths and rising.

"Every life is precious"? You know nothing of the real world!!!

https://www.odmp.org

I just want to say THANK YOU!!

[bimmer pleaser V2]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

OK, I'll fix the "Facebook level nonsense" just for you. YTD 140 in the line of duty deaths and rising.

"Every life is precious"? You know nothing of the real world!!!

https://www.odmp.org

lol OK, have a great weekend.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I thought I saw everything but this one is another topper, cop arresting cop?

It's the marked unit + uniform isn't it?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by lemetier

It's the marked unit + uniform isn't it?

I now realise after the full info he was doing 120 going to another non police job.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by lemetier

IMO, the stop was justified; conduct after is a bit iffy.

In all it's glory.

Iffy conduct? What's iffy? Are you talking about the Trooper or the Cop?

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That's really sweet of you L.J.

What goes around comes around. Beside, beer and wings are a lot more fun and cheaper than a $200 session with a shrink.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Iffy conduct? What's iffy? Are you talking about the Trooper or the Cop?

I was trying to downplay the literal and figurative shit that was thrown as a result of this specific case. I didn't defend the MPD officer's conduct during review and subsequent investigation and criticized the union's attempts in doing so. On the trooper's performance, outside of some minor procedural missteps that are not worth mentioning, the only part that bothered me then (and still does) is shown in the video I linked from 7:40 - 7:45. It's hard to put in words; those 5 seconds just don't sit right with me for some reason.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by lemetier

I was trying to downplay the literal and figurative shit that was thrown as a result of this specific case. I didn't defend the MPD officer's conduct during review and subsequent investigation and criticized the union's attempts in doing so. On the trooper's performance, outside of some minor procedural missteps that are not worth mentioning, the only part that bothered me then (and still does) is shown in the video I linked from 7:40 - 7:45. It's hard to put in words; those 5 seconds just don't sit right with me for some reason.

Is it because she had her gun pointed at him?

I would have done the same until the threat level was fully understood. Hate to second guess the trooper but seems to me she let her guard down too soon. Assume the worst and pray for the best.