Dyno sheet for 328 upgrade

dmboone25 · 11-30-2006, 04:54 PM

Ok guys--this is a dyno sheet from a guy out in CA that claims he can get 15-20 HP gain on my 328i E92 with an upgrade from his company, Creative AutoWorks. He told me when the XEDE was first being discussed for the 335i that he could easily get 35-40 more HP for the 328. I have attached the dyno sheet he sent me in an email. Is he full of crap, or what? Bear in mind, I do not really understand these graphs that well--not sure what this is showing me. I just wanted to get people's opinion....BTW--this is at a cost of $595

mr2guy · 11-30-2006, 05:55 PM

So what you posted is a dyno graph for a chipped 328i. Looks like the air/fuel ratio is almost identical to stock so the chip alters the cams and ignition timing. Those are decent gains for a stock normally aspirated car without flow improvents such as an intake and exhaust. Probably not BS. The graphs are showing two different runs overlapped to show the delta (change) between modded and stock. You can see that there are decent improvements in torque in the midrange that corresponds to more horsepower in the mid and upper RPM range.

ksfrogman · 11-30-2006, 06:02 PM

I trust Technik as a number of us have had our cars dyno'd there on numerous occasions.

crex · 11-30-2006, 06:10 PM

I am surprised at how low the stock 328 dynos at... But the gains seem decent.

just4kickz · 11-30-2006, 06:14 PM

is this AT? or MT? thats like 20% loss...

mr2guy · 11-30-2006, 06:15 PM

yeah they "should" put down stock what that one does modified. That wasn't an xi model was it?

dmboone25 · 11-30-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mr2guy

yeah they "should" put down stock what that one does modified. That wasn't an xi model was it?

Not that I know of. But would I even be able to tell a difference on 15-20 HP? That would get me close to an E90 330, which would be nice I suppose. The way I understand it, I would have to mail them my CPU and they would send it back to me overnight. What does this do to my BMW warranty? Can the dealer tell if I go in for an oil change/service when they hook it up to their diagnostic machine?

treublue · 11-30-2006, 09:03 PM

Stock is 230hp. That graph shows max 190??

Jaws · 11-30-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by treublue

Stock is 230hp. That graph shows max 190??

crank hp vs hp at the wheels. Vehicle manufacturers advertise hp right at the engine, which omits drivetrain loses.

Driv3r · 11-30-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by treublue

Stock is 230hp. That graph shows max 190??

dude cmon its WHP.....not crank...but still thats 325I 6MT numbers on the stock graph.....

yaoji · 12-01-2006, 01:25 AM

man,
i don't if i should say this,
doesn't matter how much money you spend to mod. a NA 328/330,
it just won't match up with 335.
i just beat the shit out of a 335 sedan.
i'm speechless.
my 330 feels like turtle................

jojogargoles · 12-01-2006, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaoji

man,
i don't if i should say this,
doesn't matter how much money you spend to mod. a NA 328/330,
it just won't match up with 335.
i just beat the shit out of a 335 sedan.
i'm speechless.
my 330 feels like turtle................

+1 so lets wait for the new M3 so next time those who have 335 will feel what we feel right now!

yaoji · 12-01-2006, 01:37 AM

hahaha, ^^
bump.

crex · 12-01-2006, 05:05 AM

i bet this is a 325i and he was just using it as an example of the gains for the 328i

dmboone25 · 12-01-2006, 07:27 AM

To me, for the purposes I use my BMW, a 335 right now would not get much use of the extra power. I was hoping to just get up around 330 levels, with the better suspension and looks of the 328 coupe. No one has really said if this is worth $600 (one of my main concerns) or if this voids the warranty somehow (another big concern). Thoughts?

crex · 12-01-2006, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmboone25

To me, for the purposes I use my BMW, a 335 right now would not get much use of the extra power. I was hoping to just get up around 330 levels, with the better suspension and looks of the 328 coupe. No one has really said if this is worth $600 (one of my main concerns) or if this voids the warranty somehow (another big concern). Thoughts?

since the 328 uses the x3 engine and that produces 260 hp and 225 ft-lbs of torque... seems to me like there should be some way to get this engine to that level! Are you sure that is a dyno of a 328?

dmboone25 · 12-01-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crex

since the 328 uses the x3 engine and that produces 260 hp and 225 ft-lbs of torque... seems to me like there should be some way to get this engine to that level! Are you sure that is a dyno of a 328?

I did not know that the 328 and X3 shared the same engine!! But yeah--this is supposed to be a 328 dyno--not sure whether it is a AT or MT. But I agree with your thinking--if it has just been tuned down--why could it not be tuned back up to those levels (which would give you one hell of a ride in a 3 series coupe)? No one seems to know.....

ALPINE6SPD · 12-01-2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I did not know that the 328 and X3 shared the same engine!! But yeah--this is supposed to be a 328 dyno--not sure whether it is a AT or MT. But I agree with your thinking--if it has just been tuned down--why could it not be tuned back up to those levels (which would give you one hell of a ride in a 3 series coupe)? No one seems to know.....

The engine is the almost the same but its more than just a chip to make up the difference. Three stage induction and many other factors make this possible.

yaoji · 12-01-2006, 08:49 PM

i can answer part of your question.
for 600 dollars, it's definately worth it.
that's almost 30 whp gain for a NA engine man!!!!!!
for 20whp gain in a NA honda s2000 you are looking to spend more than 4000 dollars.
........wait........ if you are lucky (either second hand parts/really good hook up price), you only need to spend 4000

^^

whitecord · 12-01-2006, 09:22 PM

i am not sure if you guys know this but there is very little difference between the 325,330 328 engines they are all n52 engines and all have same compression same internals...some have hydroformed cams others dont. but what changes the power levels is the programing and the little differnce the intake manifold.

having valvetronic is like haveing anytype of cam you want when you want it.
this gives tuners with the right software a chance to make large inprovements in the midrange and all over.

installing software will void your warrenty..if you get caught...

can a bmw tech see the new software with a GT1 scan tool? no

can a FSE see it with his lap top yea...but unless you blew up the engine from anything besides water...he will never hook up to your car. plus i dont think it will just pop up at him unless these tuners are using different code. or making wild changes in the eprom.

Driv3r · 12-02-2006, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by n1smo

That was the same attitude a lot of the 325 guys had. They thought the 325 was just a detuned 330 and it would be easy to get that power back. But even today there hasn't been a mod for the 325 that could get it to the same output as the 330. So, I'm skeptical it will happen for the 328. 15whp gains are possible with the combination of ECU upgrade, intake, exhaust but don't expect the ECU to give you that whp alone. Also, the graph posted by the OP doesn't look right. I think a 328 should be able to put 190whp down in stock form unless they dyno'ed an auto. Even then, 176whp looks low. That's almost a 24% drive train loss. Should be more along the lines of 20% for autos. I suggest you guys read up on this thread: EVOtech DYNO SHEET!!! is in! -- 325i ECU software chip I know it is a million pages long, but read all of it and it will save you a lot of emotional distress (i.e. false hope), trust me, you'll know what I meant after you read it.

please read it so you dont go through the same depression stage all 325 owners went thru when we finally found out the truth on the Evotech Chip...

whitecord · 12-02-2006, 06:46 AM

well if you really want 330 power in a 325..all you need is the intake manifiold and see if you can get a zcs code to run a 330 dme...
internaly there is no differnce in these engines. i have had a few apart. they all have a max 9.9mm lift on the intake cam and 9.8 on exhaust all have the same bore and stroke. all have the same compression.

these guys may not have been given the code to alter the valve lift. in that case would limit there tuning to a 5 to 20 hp gain at the most. as all they would be able to change is the fuel and timing and mabey the vanos.

11-30-2006, 04:54 PM	#1
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mr2guy N54 FTW 2 Rep 76 Posts Drives: 2008 BMW 535xi Wagon Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington iTrader: (0)	So what you posted is a dyno graph for a chipped 328i. Looks like the air/fuel ratio is almost identical to stock so the chip alters the cams and ignition timing. Those are decent gains for a stock normally aspirated car without flow improvents such as an intake and exhaust. Probably not BS. The graphs are showing two different runs overlapped to show the delta (change) between modded and stock. You can see that there are decent improvements in torque in the midrange that corresponds to more horsepower in the mid and upper RPM range. __________________ 2008 BMW 535XI WAGON Sapphire Schwarz on Schwarz
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crex Captain 53 Rep 659 Posts Drives: bmw 135i, Jeep wrangler Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NOVA iTrader: (1)	I am surprised at how low the stock 328 dynos at... But the gains seem decent.
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mr2guy N54 FTW 2 Rep 76 Posts Drives: 2008 BMW 535xi Wagon Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington iTrader: (0)	yeah they "should" put down stock what that one does modified. That wasn't an xi model was it? __________________ 2008 BMW 535XI WAGON Sapphire Schwarz on Schwarz
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11-30-2006, 09:03 PM	#8
treublue First Lieutenant 20 Rep 377 Posts Drives: E92 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alberta iTrader: (0)	Stock is 230hp. That graph shows max 190?? __________________ Last one there drives a Hyundai!
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yaoji Private 0 Rep 51 Posts Drives: 06 330i pp, sp, Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 626 iTrader: (0)	man, i don't if i should say this, doesn't matter how much money you spend to mod. a NA 328/330, it just won't match up with 335. i just beat the shit out of a 335 sedan. i'm speechless. my 330 feels like turtle................
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yaoji Private 0 Rep 51 Posts Drives: 06 330i pp, sp, Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 626 iTrader: (0)	hahaha, ^^ bump.
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crex Captain 53 Rep 659 Posts Drives: bmw 135i, Jeep wrangler Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NOVA iTrader: (1)	i bet this is a 325i and he was just using it as an example of the gains for the 328i
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dmboone25 Lieutenant General 4972 Rep 10,200 Posts Drives: 2024 Golf R / 2022 718 Spyder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 E92 328i [10.00] 2007 328i [10.00]	To me, for the purposes I use my BMW, a 335 right now would not get much use of the extra power. I was hoping to just get up around 330 levels, with the better suspension and looks of the 328 coupe. No one has really said if this is worth $600 (one of my main concerns) or if this voids the warranty somehow (another big concern). Thoughts? __________________ Past rides: 2016 981 BGTS, 2020 MINI JCW, 2017 F80, 2015 981 CS, 2014 F22 235, 2011 E82 135, 2008 E82 135, 2007 E92 328, 2007 E92 328 (My lady drives an OG M2. So does my dad)
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12-01-2006, 08:49 PM	#19
yaoji Private 0 Rep 51 Posts Drives: 06 330i pp, sp, Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 626 iTrader: (0)	i can answer part of your question. for 600 dollars, it's definately worth it. that's almost 30 whp gain for a NA engine man!!!!!! for 20whp gain in a NA honda s2000 you are looking to spend more than 4000 dollars. ........wait........ if you are lucky (either second hand parts/really good hook up price), you only need to spend 4000 ^^
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whitecord Second Lieutenant 10 Rep 235 Posts Drives: 500whp 318ti Join Date: May 2006 Location: bonita springs iTrader: (4)	i am not sure if you guys know this but there is very little difference between the 325,330 328 engines they are all n52 engines and all have same compression same internals...some have hydroformed cams others dont. but what changes the power levels is the programing and the little differnce the intake manifold. having valvetronic is like haveing anytype of cam you want when you want it. this gives tuners with the right software a chance to make large inprovements in the midrange and all over. installing software will void your warrenty..if you get caught... can a bmw tech see the new software with a GT1 scan tool? no can a FSE see it with his lap top yea...but unless you blew up the engine from anything besides water...he will never hook up to your car. plus i dont think it will just pop up at him unless these tuners are using different code. or making wild changes in the eprom.
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12-02-2006, 06:46 AM	#22
whitecord Second Lieutenant 10 Rep 235 Posts Drives: 500whp 318ti Join Date: May 2006 Location: bonita springs iTrader: (4)	well if you really want 330 power in a 325..all you need is the intake manifiold and see if you can get a zcs code to run a 330 dme... internaly there is no differnce in these engines. i have had a few apart. they all have a max 9.9mm lift on the intake cam and 9.8 on exhaust all have the same bore and stroke. all have the same compression. these guys may not have been given the code to alter the valve lift. in that case would limit there tuning to a 5 to 20 hp gain at the most. as all they would be able to change is the fuel and timing and mabey the vanos.
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