[TMP]

chav scum deserved it - they are hopping that people do look the other way, so they get away with it.

No way the Big man should be prosecuted. PC gone mad as usual

[MEGA]

It's official: They are charging the 'big man'.

Pathetic.

Anywhere we can complain to re: this ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-16288101

Sigh.

[- Paul -]

I think he should be charged - this could have easily been avoided if the conductor had followed policy. There was no need for an uninvolved member of the public to manhandle him off the train.

[xenon]

Are you fcuking real?

[- Paul -]

Yep - %100 - why?

[xenon]

The elderly conductor was being told to fcuk off by this twat and he was following policy in not moving the train until he got off. He clearly wasn't going to do that and was being offensive and making all the fare-paying passengers late. The other fellow decided that he's not going to be inconvinienced by chavvy scum bullying the conductor so he hoyed him off. Fair play to him, as the vast majority say.



Your solution would have been to sit there for an hour in silence until BTP arrived?

Pathetic.

[zltm089]

I saw his facebook profile....typical chav student scumbag....

Like I've said before, in this country if you follow the rules , you get buttfcuked by the system....

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by xenon

The elderly conductor was being told to fcuk off by this twat and he was following policy in not moving the train until he got off. He clearly wasn't going to do that and was being offensive and making all the fare-paying passengers late. The other fellow decided that he's not going to be inconvinienced by chavvy scum bullying the conductor so he hoyed him off. Fair play to him, as the vast majority say.

Of course, they'll be some mealy-mouthed, Guardian-reading idiots who think that we should kow-tow to feral scum.

Your solution would have been to sit there for an hour in silence until BTP arrived?

Pathetic.

If that's a reference to me - then you couldn't be further off the mark. I also find you objectionable in terms of your response. I also don't like being referred to as pathetic. I ain't being bullied into following the "majority" agreement on here. I have my own mind and don't need to follow anyone. He could have easily carried on the train journey and had the BTP meet him at the next station.

Please refrain from personal insults on here - thanks. Merry Xmas!

[xenon]

I made no personal insults.

Yes, he could have done as you say but why shouldn't someone stand up for what's right every now and then? I'm not advocating taking the law into our own hands as that's essentially anarchy, but I'm fed up of people doing nothing. Now this scumbag has been shamed in the paper and a big fuss has been made and he got his just desserts.

Merry Xmas.

[- Paul -]

Come on now - I am not retarded. It was clearly a dig at me because you find my viewpoint disagreeable. There could be some mealy mouthed...idiots. Pathetic. It doesn't take much intelligence to realise that it was directed at me.

The big mans response was over the top - no-one deserves to be forcibly removed by a stranger from anywhere unless he poses a threat. Yes - he was swearing (near young children aswell) - yes, he's probably a twat - yes - he had the wrong ticket / didn't pay.

This is not my point - I just think the big man shouldn't have got involved.

[xenon]

Not a personal insult, it was an insult directed at anyone who makes excuses, apologies or any other justification for chav-scum acting with impunity, most of which seem to be Guardian readers claiming "hey, look, I know these kids and their problems and they're victims of society and not the cause, blah blah".

If that's you then so be it, if it's not you then there's no problem.

* and as a point of order, I was saying the suggestion of "sitting there in silence" was [a] pathetic [response] not that you were pathetic.

[- Paul -]

Its definitely not me but what if it was? - you have a problem with those people for having a different view from you?

No need to insult those people either - live and let live. For what's its worth, I cant stand the lazy layabouts that are part of our society and would love to see it change for the better. How - I'm not sure.

Anyone can broad brush opinion on the readers of any paper. I don't read any!

[xenon]

Of course people have different points-of-view to which everyone is entitled. If someone prefers red to blue, politically or optically, fair enough. If one prefers football to rugby then fair enough.

If someone has a viewpoint that I find objectionable (e.g. racism) then they're entitled to their "view" but yes, I would have a problem with it.

Similarly, I do have a problem with the viewpoint of and the people who make apologies or excuses for scumbags, as some did or tried to do, after the riots.

In summary everyone is entitled to their view but if it's a view that I have strong feelings on it's fairly obvious I'd have an issue with people harbouring those views. That stands to reason - otherwise there would be no debate, argument or referendum about anything.

[- Paul -]

Fair point. Anything illegal is illegal - rioters broke the law. Did the fare dodger break the law or did the big man break it? Or were they both illegal acts?

I'm not protecting or standing up for either of them but still think he should be charged. He physically removed him - that's assault in my eyes.

[xenon]

Well I'd say the "big man" was minding his own business and the "student" brought the whole sorry episode on himself by his actions.

However, we're clearly at polar opposites in terms of our opinion on this matter so I doubt there's anything to gain in labouring this discussion any further.

Nevertheless, I will apologise unreservedly if you took offence at anything I posted.

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by xenon

Well I'd say the "big man" was minding his own business and the "student" brought the whole sorry episode on himself by his actions.

However, we're clearly at polar opposites in terms of our opinion on this matter so I doubt there's anything to gain in labouring this discussion any further.

Nevertheless, I will apologise unreservedly if you took offence at anything I posted.

Apology accepted - I don't think we are at polar opposites. I agree that the student was at fault. He was being an arse but didn't deserve to be forcibly removed (imo).

[chris330D]

FWIW I have the pleasure o commuting to London and see this sort of thing regularly. What normally happens is BTP are waiting at the next station/destination where the person is arrested. A conductor was stabbed last week for making two lads get off the train as they had no tickets. It is a tough call to make and I think this one would be better if the conductor had been asking for help. Just my thoughts....

[JLR1969]

Personally I am glad he was thrown off the train, I can't see how it's assault if he is gently escorted off a train. Anything more than yes it's assault.

Most little shits like this need a lesson in respect and decency.

Bring back National Service!

This country would be a lot better for it.

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

Personally I am glad he was thrown off the train, I can't see how it's assault if he is gently escorted off a train. Anything more than yes it's assault.

Most little shits like this need a lesson in respect and decency.

Bring back National Service!

This country would be a lot better for it.

He wasn't gently escorted off the train - watch the vid. Plus we don't see how he was ejected out of the door. He had facial injuries which he attributed to the incident - whether this is true of not - I've no idea.

He definitely could do with a lesson in respect and decency , there is no doubt about that.

[Baby Dave]

The big man used reasonable force in removing the fare dodger. There's not a court in the world that will find him guilty. You can now murder burglars in your own house and that's classed as reasonable. The youth was shouting and swearing at an old man, who was trying to do his job, he didn't have a ticket. Would he have gobbed off if the big man was the conductor?

[- Paul -]

I thought it was only legal to kill burglars - not murder them? ;-)

I'm positive he wouldn't have said a word if big man was the conductor. Conductor should have followed company protocol and had him picked up at next station. Whole sorry situation would have been avoided then.

[Baby Dave]

It seems you tube has landed them both in bother