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Lifeguard6 = Mercon SP?
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03-22-2010, 03:58 PM | #23 | |||
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03-22-2010, 08:08 PM | #24 |
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I'm sold, really! The evidence presented here is so overwhelming that I know that my $10K tranny will live a long life using Ford Mercon SP ATF. From now on, I'll meticulously use nothing but Ford Mercon SP in Turkeybaster115's tranny.
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03-23-2010, 08:43 AM | #25 |
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Don't ever change your trans fluid, guy, its a lifetime fill!!
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03-23-2010, 10:58 AM | #26 |
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Hey, I have a present for you. Here is the MSDS for Shell M-1375.4 (aka Shell ATF SP Fluid).
Go here: http://hazard.com/msds/mf/equilon/shell Search for ATF M-1375.4 and you'll see the product code is 53174 or MSDS #401519E Go here:http://www.equivashellmsds.com/ Search product code 53174 or MSDS code 401519E and voila Mercon SP Enjoy. Last edited by F32Fleet; 03-23-2010 at 11:20 AM.. |
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03-23-2010, 11:26 AM | #27 |
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Yes, I've seen that fluid. One question, how come its specification is vastly different from LG6? Nothing matches, KV 40/100, flash point, pour point, Viscosity Index, etc! Its not M-1375.4! They just wrote that in. I originally thought it was shell M-1375.4, while I was doing my research, but there just isn't enough proof that it is. Along the way, I also thought shell donax TX, was LG6 also. Neither of these two fluids are LG6. THEY ARE EVEN BOTH RED IN COLOR!
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03-23-2010, 11:56 AM | #28 | |
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03-23-2010, 12:46 PM | #30 | |
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The MSDS of Mercon SP, LG6 and this fluid are all different in some respect. Attributes Mercon SP and Shell ATF SP have in common but not with LG6: #1 Flash points #2 Vapor pressure #3 Specific Gravity (off by .01) Attributes Mercon SP has in common with LG6 and not Shell ATF SP: #1 KV http://www.tsgparts.net/images/pdf/Lifeguardfluid6.pdf http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricant...us175325us.pdf Last edited by F32Fleet; 03-23-2010 at 01:02 PM.. |
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03-23-2010, 03:00 PM | #32 |
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03-23-2010, 03:03 PM | #33 | |||
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SHELL ATF SP: CAS#: 64742-55-8 60.00 - 100.00 % CAS#: 64742-52-5 10.00 - 30.00 % MERCON SP CAS#: 64742-54-7 60.00 - 100.00 % CAS#: 64742-52-5 1-5 % Shell ATF SP's flash point is 3XGreater than Mercon SP, and as for specific gravity, if you really think that .01 is nothing, then you should know that: 1. Specific gravity identifies a fluid 2. Kinematic viscosity is absolute viscosity/specific gravity (their Kinematic viscosity is not the same at any temperature is it? So much for .01 not being a big deal to the ignorant) Quote:
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03-23-2010, 04:02 PM | #35 |
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Apologies..I was thinking of auto-ignition temps. Still the flash points between Mercon SP and LG6 are not the same. (Mercon 218C vs 200C LG6). Why is that? Is that because flash points were tested differently? Why is vapor pressure different as well?
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03-24-2010, 09:21 AM | #36 | |
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I'm happy now that people have a cheaper alternative to purchase OEM trans fluid. |
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03-26-2010, 08:48 AM | #38 | |
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The ABSOLUTE best trans fluid for the high torque 6hp19/26 trannys is actually Castrol Transmax Z! Its really the only trans fluid that I have confirmed to be synthetic based (MSDS), and if you do a search, for it, you'll find It is approved for Long drain intervals in buss transmissions TE ML 11B/14C. I'm having a hard time getting a hold of it, because it is made in new zealand/australia. This will basically be my next fill, its either this or Royal purple ATF. That's the only other transfluid I've found with close enough specs to TE ML 11B thats synthetic based (MSDS). will you also concede defeat on BMW LL04 oils in petrol engines, or is that hoping for too much? |
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03-26-2010, 09:35 AM | #39 | |
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As for LL04 oils until BMW says they're ok to use in gasser BMW's I won't change my position. Now, if a oil manufacturer can provide a LL04 oil which has the same level of additives as a LL01 oil to handle the additional acids from using gas with 10 % ethanol I'm ok with that. The literature is old on LL04, but BMW only recommends LL04 oils for gasser cars in about 4 european countries. I haven't read anything from them which updates that position. Do the new 5/7 series owners use LL04 or still LL01? As for Castrol Transmax Z ATF. Does it have the same viscosity and friction modifiers as LG6? Now you dropped Pento ATF1 in @ 40k miles so if I'm correct you have another 20-30k miles to go before another change. I'd bet the Castrol product will eventually show up in the US by then. |
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03-26-2010, 11:24 AM | #40 | ||
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I'm currently in contact with stores in OZ, trying to see if they will ship to the US. Keeping my fingers crossed. |
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03-26-2010, 12:17 PM | #41 | |
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http://www.bimmerfile.com/2008/07/09...commendations/ http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ine_5_2009.png (BMW TIS see footnote #2) If you ask Mobil1 they will say "Use 0w-40 instead of ESP 5w-30 for your 335i". |
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03-26-2010, 01:39 PM | #42 | ||
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03-26-2010, 01:56 PM | #43 | |
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In any case the ESP oils are also rated for VW/MB and others and I do not know their stance on using in gassers. Just go to Mobil1 website and ask the question. It has been asked before but they rotate the questions so it's no longer posted. Hell you can go to BMWNA website. Another link from Motul: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/MOTUL...7-%28GB%29.pdf Last edited by F32Fleet; 03-26-2010 at 02:10 PM.. |
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