[SOVLED] E90 CIC Pro

toby_2028 · 01-02-2019, 03:11 PM

Hi

I have a 2011 E90 with CIC pro and AUX IN showing up in the menu.
However nothing happens when I plug a 3.5mm jack in.

I have the menu in CIC and can turn up and down the volume.
I have checked the connections, and they seams OK.

I think is has something to do with coding. The CIC is not the original one because the coded VIN is different, and the CIC screen was loose when i got the car. However the car have the CIC pro from factory. I think that the previous owner broke it, replaced it, and coded it 90%. :-)

Can anyone help me check that the coding i OK in the CIC.
I have all the software needed and can code a bit myself.

Please help :-)

Sensible_ · 01-03-2019, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toby_2028

Hi

I have a 2011 E90 with CIC pro and AUX IN showing up in the menu.
However nothing happens when I plug a 3.5mm jack in.

I have the menu in CIC and can turn up and down the volume.
I have checked the connections, and they seams OK.

I think is has something to do with coding. The CIC is not the original one because the coded VIN is different, and it was loose when i got the car. However the car have the CIC pro from factory. I Think that the previous owner broke it, replaced it, and coded it 90%. :-)

Can anyone help me check that the coding i OK in the CIC.
I have all the software needed and can code i little myself.

Please help :-)

Do you have a cable?

Copy the contents of the CIC trace file here.

toby_2028 · 01-03-2019, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensible_

Do you have a cable?

Copy the contents of the CIC trace file here.

I can't read out CIC trace file. I get an error in NCS Expert. I can however read out COMBI. I think the CIC needs coding from scratch.
Another thing is that I have never bin able to Read ECU from CAS, only from NFRM. - That is strange to i think.

Do you know anyone that can help me code the CIC, change the VIN and get the AUX to work? - I will be happy to pay for it.

I just installed the new Android 8.1 system, and it need AUX. I have newer used the AUX before and don't know if it ever worked.
To night I enabled the original system again to check the AUX. I checked the wires from the back og the head unit to the AUX in. I change the AUX cable. Nothing works, that is why I am 99.9% sure that it needs coding.

UPDATE:
I just tryed again and using another profile I can read from CAS. Stil can't read out CIC trace file. See error in attached file.

UPDATE:
Well I got the CIC trace file out. Can be downloaded here: https://ufile.io/0vdmq
Can anyone spot a reason why the AUX IN is not working? Can it be a much more simple thing like a fuse or a bad connector? Any idears are welcome.

Well it is late in Denmark. I will pick this up in the morning. Thank you Sensible_ for the progress so far.

Sensible_ · 01-03-2019, 03:54 PM

How do you expect to code the CIC if you can't read a trace file from it?

I'll code it for you, but it's very simple.

The error you posted is sometimes indicative of wrong serial port settings. Can you confirm in the serial port settings that Latency is set to '1'.

toby_2028 · 01-03-2019, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensible_

How do you expect to code the CIC if you can't read a trace file from it?

I'll code it for you, but it's very simple.

The error you posted is sometimes indicative of wrong serial port settings. Can you confirm in the serial port settings that Latency is set to '1'.

Thanks. - You are the man :-)

Just testet again, and your are right. The latency had set it self to default.
Now I can read out the CIC.

Here is the trace file from CIC. Can you spot anything relayted to AUX not working.

https://ufile.io/0vdmq

Sensible_ · 01-03-2019, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toby_2028

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensible_

How do you expect to code the CIC if you can't read a trace file from it?

I'll code it for you, but it's very simple.

The error you posted is sometimes indicative of wrong serial port settings. Can you confirm in the serial port settings that Latency is set to '1'.

Thanks. - You are the man :-)

Just testet again, and your are right. The latency had set it self to default.
Now I can read out the CIC.

Here is the trace file from CIC. Can you spot anything relayted to AUX not working.

https://ufile.io/0vdmq

Ok,

I see in that trace file you have COMBOX aktiv. Does your car have a combox (Bluetooth streaming etc) if not, then it's not coded properly.

Code the CIC to default with an expert mode or factory profile (no manipulation) using the job SG_CODERIEN.

toby_2028 · 01-03-2019, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensible_

Ok,

I see in that trace file you have COMBOX aktiv. Does your car have a combox (Bluetooth streaming etc) if not, then it's not coded properly.

Code the CIC to default with an expert mode or factory profile (no manipulation) using the job SG_CODERIEN.

I have the COMBOX and Bluetooth. That is working fine. I was missing 6FL (USB in armrest for updating software) so I retrofited it and codeed to FA and SG_CODERIEN CIC and MEDIA. That also work perfect.
Only the AUX IN that does not work.

Checked all the wires again to day, and tryed another AUX cable, but no sound. The menu is there and I can ajust the AUX volumen, but no input. :-(

ptpending · 01-04-2019, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toby_2028

I have the COMBOX and Bluetooth. That is working fine. I was missing 6FL (USB in armrest for updating software) so I retrofited it and codeed to FA and SG_CODERIEN CIC and MEDIA. That also work perfect.
Only the AUX IN that does not work.

Checked all the wires again to day, and tryed another AUX cable, but no sound. The menu is there and I can ajust the AUX volumen, but no input. :-(

when you code 6fl your car think that aux is also wired from combox, because this is factory configuration
you have either wire aux from combox or recode headunit using custom parameter(select aux from headunit and not combox)

toby_2028 · 01-04-2019, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptpending

when you code 6fl your car think that aux is also wired from combox, because this is factory configuration
you have either wire aux from combox or recode headunit using custom parameter(select aux from headunit and not combox)

That would make sense.

Do you know how and what modul to code the AUX from COMBOX to Headunit?

The wires from the org AUX runs directly to the headunit and connect to the right pins, as far as I can see.

ctuna · 01-04-2019, 02:03 AM

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...ombox/HT1yMfu8

The car is now coded for the combox to supply the aux so now you need
a aux cable that runs from the combox . Above is a schematic of the combox.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/

May not be away to code it back and run with the upgraded setup.
Actually I thought in most cars the aux always came from the TCU/MULF
or combox.

I have seen the cables on ebay for 10 to 30 bucks US.

toby_2028 · 01-04-2019, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctuna

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...ombox/HT1yMfu8

The car is now coded for the combox to supply the aux so now you need
a aux cable that runs from the combox . Above is a schematic of the combox.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/

May not be away to code it back and run with the upgraded setup.
Actually I thought in most cars the aux always came from the TCU/MULF
or combox.

I have seen the cables on ebay for 10 to 30 bucks US.

OK - Thanks

Do you know if I can just remove $6FL from FA and kode MEDIA and CIC, just to test?

Or maby you can provide an eBay link for the cable/connector. - Don't know what I am looking for. :-)

Se pictures of COMBOX and 6FL retrofit.

Sensible_ · 01-04-2019, 04:37 AM

What cable did you use when you retrofitted 6FL?

Did you use the Y cable?

You could try setting:

CDMM_AUX_HU to 'aktiv' but the correct way as stated is to just extend the aux cable to the combox.

Also, there is a function key word

CDMM_USB_AUDIO_DOUBLE which is qualified for:

COMBOX+USB+HANDYMP3,KOMFORT_TEL

maybe setting it to aktiv enables both aux... I have no idea though.

toby_2028 · 01-04-2019, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensible_

What cable did you use when you retrofitted 6FL?

Did you use the Y cable?

You could try setting:

CDMM_AUX_HU to 'aktiv' but the correct way as stated is to just extend the aux cable to the combox.

Also, there is a function key word

CDMM_USB_AUDIO_DOUBLE which is qualified for:

COMBOX+USB+HANDYMP3,KOMFORT_TEL

maybe setting it to aktiv enables both aux... I have no idea though.

I used only the cable you see on the picture. The point of the retrofit was only to update the Bloothooth, because i had some issues showing song titles over bluetooth, using android. The issue was solved by updating, so I don't need the USB anymore. I use it now for powering WIFI in the car from the trunk, but that can be done in another way.

Do you think that I can remove the 6FL option again and it will fallback to original, with the original AUX working?
If you know which cable I can use from AUX IN adapter to the COMBOX, that would be the best solution.

Sensible_ · 01-04-2019, 07:50 AM

Ok so this is making a bit more sense now. From those photos you have the USB and Aux which would normally be run to the centre console armrest still in your trunk. WiFi plugged into USB. Correct?

In which case your AUX is already attached to the combox??? Via the AUX L and R but I don't see any wires from this AUX? To the combox system connector...

So I guess you still have an AUX in the armrest connected to CIC?

In which case, I'd try removing the 6FL and recoding CIC and MEDIA. Or, run AUX connections from the combox connector to the aux in your arm rest.

toby_2028 · 01-04-2019, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensible_

Ok so this is making a bit more sense now. From those photos you have the USB and Aux which would normally be run to the centre console armrest still in your trunk. WiFi plugged into USB. Correct?

In which case your AUX is already attached to the combox??? Via the AUX L and R but I don't see any wires from this AUX? To the combox system connector...

So I guess you still have an AUX in the armrest connected to CIC?

In which case, I'd try removing the 6FL and recoding CIC and MEDIA. Or, run AUX connections from the combox connector to the aux in your arm rest.

100% correct. :-)
I will try recode the MEDIA and CIC without 6FL, just for the test. If it works, I can code 6FL back and do the wirering to the COMBOX.

I will test in 5 hours (The wife stole the car), and get back to you.

Thank, talk to you later.

toby_2028 · 01-04-2019, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toby_2028

100% correct. :-)
I will try recode the MEDIA and CIC without 6FL, just for the test. If it works, I can code 6FL back and do the wirering to the COMBOX.

I will test in 5 hours (The wife stole the car), and get back to you.

Thank, talk to you later.

Coding out the $6FL worked. The USB WIFI dongle, connected to the COMBOX in the trunk, still gets power, so all is perfect now. Shall I ever update Bluetooth again via UBS, I will just recode $6FL agian.

Thank you so much for your time helping me. You have no idea how happy I am. :-)

toby_2028 · 01-04-2019, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctuna

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...ombox/HT1yMfu8

The car is now coded for the combox to supply the aux so now you need
a aux cable that runs from the combox . Above is a schematic of the combox.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/

May not be away to code it back and run with the upgraded setup.
Actually I thought in most cars the aux always came from the TCU/MULF
or combox.

I have seen the cables on ebay for 10 to 30 bucks US.

Thank you so much for the input, it let me in the right direction, and now the problem is solved. Thanks

toby_2028 · 01-04-2019, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctuna

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...ombox/HT1yMfu8

The car is now coded for the combox to supply the aux so now you need
a aux cable that runs from the combox . Above is a schematic of the combox.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/

May not be away to code it back and run with the upgraded setup.
Actually I thought in most cars the aux always came from the TCU/MULF
or combox.

I have seen the cables on ebay for 10 to 30 bucks US.

Thank you so much for the input and the diagrams. Just coded out $6FL and the signal went to the head unit and not the COMBOX. Problem solved, thanks again.

ctuna · 01-04-2019, 07:00 PM

Since you can play music from 6fl I would want to have it.
The aux has been noted as a low fi Input in many threads here
and I can say I have had the same direct observation .

Sensible_ · 01-05-2019, 03:16 AM

Glad it's fixed, but it would be worth finishing the combox + 6FL properly and just run it to the armrest with AUX and USB.

toby_2028 · 01-06-2019, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctuna

Since you can play music from 6fl I would want to have it.
The aux has been noted as a low fi Input in many threads here
and I can say I have had the same direct observation .

I think I will activate the USB again and rewire the AUX IN to the COMBOX, just to have it. But there is actually no point now that I have the Android system (it has 2x USB and a 32GB memory card). If there is any indication of quality los over the AUX to the headunit, it will be done at ones.

ctuna · 01-06-2019, 01:11 PM

An android unit that uses the aux will have the same sound
quality loss I believe.
There have been some large discussions on the stereo sub forum
about this.

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toby_2028 Enlisted Member 22 Rep 49 Posts Drives: 320D E90 LCI 184HK AT. M-Sport Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Denmark iTrader: (0)	Hi I have a 2011 E90 with CIC pro and AUX IN showing up in the menu. However nothing happens when I plug a 3.5mm jack in. I have the menu in CIC and can turn up and down the volume. I have checked the connections, and they seams OK. I think is has something to do with coding. The CIC is not the original one because the coded VIN is different, and the CIC screen was loose when i got the car. However the car have the CIC pro from factory. I think that the previous owner broke it, replaced it, and coded it 90%. :-) Can anyone help me check that the coding i OK in the CIC. I have all the software needed and can code a bit myself. Please help :-) Last edited by toby_2028; 01-04-2019 at 03:54 PM..
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Sensible_ Colonel 529 Rep 2,504 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London iTrader: (1)	What cable did you use when you retrofitted 6FL? Did you use the Y cable? You could try setting: CDMM_AUX_HU to 'aktiv' but the correct way as stated is to just extend the aux cable to the combox. Also, there is a function key word CDMM_USB_AUDIO_DOUBLE which is qualified for: COMBOX+USB+HANDYMP3,KOMFORT_TEL maybe setting it to aktiv enables both aux... I have no idea though.
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Sensible_ Colonel 529 Rep 2,504 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London iTrader: (1)	Ok so this is making a bit more sense now. From those photos you have the USB and Aux which would normally be run to the centre console armrest still in your trunk. WiFi plugged into USB. Correct? In which case your AUX is already attached to the combox??? Via the AUX L and R but I don't see any wires from this AUX? To the combox system connector... So I guess you still have an AUX in the armrest connected to CIC? In which case, I'd try removing the 6FL and recoding CIC and MEDIA. Or, run AUX connections from the combox connector to the aux in your arm rest.
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ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	Since you can play music from 6fl I would want to have it. The aux has been noted as a low fi Input in many threads here and I can say I have had the same direct observation . Last edited by ctuna; 01-05-2019 at 08:52 AM..
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Sensible_ Colonel 529 Rep 2,504 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London iTrader: (1)	Glad it's fixed, but it would be worth finishing the combox + 6FL properly and just run it to the armrest with AUX and USB.
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ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	An android unit that uses the aux will have the same sound quality loss I believe. There have been some large discussions on the stereo sub forum about this.
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