[Quick335XI]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

Best of luck with it and good call on going with the 3+.

Thanks everyone! Just enjoying the car at this point.

I hope to get at least another 100k miles from it, at which point I'll head to Houston to ABR for a high end built motor and a monster single turbo

[Quick335XI]

Wow! What a crazy ride it's been and I've been waiting until all the smoke clears to write an update on this thread.

So, to recap, Cedar Performance in Dallas did all the work on my car. I'm sure they need no introduction - very quickly-growing performance shop here that is STELLAR with a BMW guru running the place, can't say enough good about them. Car was running fantastic with the Pure 2 high flows, Methanol injection and tons of other supporting components. So then we had a catastrophe happen... and it's been about a 5 month journey.

So, I brought the car in for an alignment... I won't say where, so please don't ask. It was an honest mistake and that is not my focus here. But basically, while it was in their care, something wasn't hooked back up and meth flooded my engine and ruined it. Over the course of about 3 months the shop basically made good on it, replacing the motor and such and giving my original motor back, which i plan on building a very high end motor up with over the next year or so.

But for now, I've converted to full e85. I've always been the first person to admit when I'm wrong, and going with Methanol was wrong for me. Originally, I loved the concept of it only coming on when it was needed, and not having to run a fuel that isn't super plentiful around here, etc. It sounded great "in theory". And yes, we had all the fail safes installed, and this STILL happened. Had I been simple e85 all along, this would never have occurred.

So, that's the safety side of things... now for the performance side of things. All I can say is, the car is a completely different animal now. Literally nothing else changed on the car, except for going e85 - all the other parts are the same, and it's a night and day difference after going to e85 and tuning for it. Before, we had to play around with nozzles and such etc to try and get the max performance using meth - all that has gone away now, and it's simple and consistent. I haven't dyno'd it yet (very soon), but my pants tell me it is AT LEAST 60 horsepower more now. ON the Cedar 2wd dyno with my AWD disconneted and in '2 wheel mode' it made somewhere around 625-ish but I wanted to get an awd dyno before posting anything. It'a also smoother and consistent with the e85 path. Also with the jb4 if I get stuck somewhere where there is no e85 I can simply switch to Map 5 and fill with 93.

I can't begin to describe how BEASTLY fast the car is now... it's incredible. i have a manual transmission, so it's a little hard to handle in first gear! Lol. I'd be shocked if it doesn't do 0-60 in around 2.3 or so based on my "in-head counting" sprints to 60. 60 comes in like NO time at all.

And still, with all this power... the tires barely spin at all with the xDrive, which is why from day one long ago I went with that feature.

So, for me personally, I won't use methanol injection again. If it works for you, that's fine, but for me, I won't go that route again, and I wanted to share my experience with everyone here as input to their decision making process. Thanks

[buster84]

Originally Posted by Quick335XI

Wow! What a crazy ride it's been and I've been waiting until all the smoke clears to write an update on this thread.

So, to recap, Cedar Performance in Dallas did all the work on my car. I'm sure they need no introduction - very quickly-growing performance shop here that is STELLAR with a BMW guru running the place, can't say enough good about them. Car was running fantastic with the Pure 2 high flows, Methanol injection and tons of other supporting components. So then we had a catastrophe happen... and it's been about a 5 month journey.

So, I brought the car in for an alignment... I won't say where, so please don't ask. It was an honest mistake and that is not my focus here. But basically, while it was in their care, something wasn't hooked back up and meth flooded my engine and ruined it. Over the course of about 3 months the shop basically made good on it, replacing the motor and such and giving my original motor back, which i plan on building a very high end motor up with over the next year or so.

But for now, I've converted to full e85. I've always been the first person to admit when I'm wrong, and going with Methanol was wrong for me. Originally, I loved the concept of it only coming on when it was needed, and not having to run a fuel that isn't super plentiful around here, etc. It sounded great "in theory". And yes, we had all the fail safes installed, and this STILL happened. Had I been simple e85 all along, this would never have occurred.

So, that's the safety side of things... now for the performance side of things. All I can say is, the car is a completely different animal now. Literally nothing else changed on the car, except for going e85 - all the other parts are the same, and it's a night and day difference after going to e85 and tuning for it. Before, we had to play around with nozzles and such etc to try and get the max performance using meth - all that has gone away now, and it's simple and consistent. I haven't dyno'd it yet (very soon), but my pants tell me it is AT LEAST 60 horsepower more now. ON the Cedar 2wd dyno with my AWD disconneted and in '2 wheel mode' it made somewhere around 625-ish but I wanted to get an awd dyno before posting anything. It'a also smoother and consistent with the e85 path. Also with the jb4 if I get stuck somewhere where there is no e85 I can simply switch to Map 5 and fill with 93.

I can't begin to describe how BEASTLY fast the car is now... it's incredible. i have a manual transmission, so it's a little hard to handle in first gear! Lol. I'd be shocked if it doesn't do 0-60 in around 2.3 or so based on my "in-head counting" sprints to 60. 60 comes in like NO time at all.

And still, with all this power... the tires barely spin at all with the xDrive, which is why from day one long ago I went with that feature.

So, for me personally, I won't use methanol injection again. If it works for you, that's fine, but for me, I won't go that route again, and I wanted to share my experience with everyone here as input to their decision making process. Thanks

Wow lots of bad and good in this update. I'm glad to see your back up and running. E85 is the best, I used to go full e85 now I'm running full 93! Lol. I'm busy with nursing school so I dont have the time to play around with the car anymore so I run 93 with low boost to get it to run more like stock when i do take it out, plus it makes it so mu wife can drive it since she prefers the awd when it rains.

I mostly drive the 2018 camry though since i need to put miles on it because I'm almost at the 1 year mark and the free 2 year maintenance will never get used since it barley has 2,500 on it. I need to drive more, I mostly drive 5 mile short trips since I live close to school.

Anyways, I'm curious how did you switch to 2 wheel drive for the dyno? Remove the front axles?

[Quick335XI]

Yeah it was crazy.. I personally am no longer a fan of methanol lol. Yes it was avoidable, but had I been e85 all along this never would have happened. And the power the car is making now on it is leaps and bound above, and the whole experience is just so much better.

[type-dRew]

Originally Posted by buster84

Wow lots of bad and good in this update. I'm glad to see your back up and running. E85 is the best, I used to go full e85 now I'm running full 93! Lol. I'm busy with nursing school so I dont have the time to play around with the car anymore so I run 93 with low boost to get it to run more like stock when i do take it out, plus it makes it so mu wife can drive it since she prefers the awd when it rains.

I mostly drive the 2018 camry though since i need to put miles on it because I'm almost at the 1 year mark and the free 2 year maintenance will never get used since it barley has 2,500 on it. I need to drive more, I mostly drive 5 mile short trips since I live close to school.

Anyways, I'm curious how did you switch to 2 wheel drive for the dyno? Remove the front axles?

Just removing hardware will give you a limp mode if not done right.

Xdelete app coding makes it so you can leave everything alone and just swap to rwd when you want.

[blown07]

Nice to see your car is back up and running but 2.3 sec to 60 not a chance in h e double hockey sticks

[Silent9n54]

Originally Posted by blown07

Nice to see your car is back up and running but 2.3 sec to 60 not a chance in h e double hockey sticks

i doubt you will get anything below 3.0

[Quick335XI]

Originally Posted by shanker604

i doubt you will get anything below 3.0

How do you figure? Car weighs several hundred pounds less than the new M5 which does 2.8, has significantly more horsepower and it AWD like the M5 too. Should be at least mid 2s. Also has launch control and wot box.

[blown07]

Originally Posted by Quick335XI

How do you figure? Car weighs several hundred pounds less than the new M5 which does 2.8, has significantly more horsepower and it AWD like the M5 too. Should be at least mid 2s. Also has launch control and wot box.

Sorry but not a chance you are getting under 3 seconds with a stick.

[woodex m.e.]

Originally Posted by Quick335XI

How do you figure? Car weighs several hundred pounds less than the new M5 which does 2.8, has significantly more horsepower and it AWD like the M5 too. Should be at least mid 2s. Also has launch control and wot box.

Yeah thats not exactly how that works. You’re missing a lot of important factors. Also the new M5 has you totally crushed in terms of power. At best, based on your dyno numbers and launch controll, weight, suspension yadda yadda, id give you a 3.4-3.8. That second may not seem like a big deal, but its a huge difference.

[Antetokounmpo]

Originally Posted by Quick335XI

How do you figure? Car weighs several hundred pounds less than the new M5 which does 2.8, has significantly more horsepower and it AWD like the M5 too. Should be at least mid 2s. Also has launch control and wot box.

Yeah sorry.. not a chance with a 6mt. Losing boost between shifts, not to mention try launching as hard as launching off the converter without destroying the transfercase or front driveshaft.

[Quick335XI]

Originally Posted by Antetokounmpo

Yeah sorry.. not a chance with a 6mt. Losing boost between shifts, not to mention try launching as hard as launching off the converter without destroying the transfercase or front driveshaft.

I don’t loose boost between shifts I keep it floored and have a WOT box which also does launch control at 3500rpm... car weighs less than an M5 by several hundred pounds and has more power than an M5, not less not sure why someone said it has less). It’s also awd with launch control and no shift bog. I have zero traction issues even with this power level. Well maybe not zero but very little . Hooks like mad from first gear and rockets.

I’ve been going down the 1320 since the early 90s, and 0-60 is about traction, weight and power, it’s that simple.

[dpaul]

Just curious - what could someone disconnect in the course of a wheel alignment (or any service) that would cause your engine to be flooded with meth?

[Antetokounmpo]

Originally Posted by Quick335XI

I don’t loose boost between shifts I keep it floored and have a WOT box which also does launch control at 3500rpm... car weighs less than an M5 by several hundred pounds and has more power than an M5, not less not sure why someone said it has less). It’s also awd with launch control and no shift bog. I have zero traction issues even with this power level. Well maybe not zero but very little . Hooks like mad from first gear and rockets.

I’ve been going down the 1320 since the early 90s, and 0-60 is about traction, weight and power, it’s that simple.

I stand by my claim. If you can get under 3.5 sec i would be shocked. Also... 0-60 is a stupid metric to compare cars on nowadays. 60-130 is the real measurement of how fast a car is.

[Quick335XI]

Originally Posted by Antetokounmpo

I stand by my claim. If you can get under 3.5 sec i would be shocked. Also... 0-60 is a stupid metric to compare cars on nowadays. 60-130 is the real measurement of how fast a car is.

It’s simple match, logic and physics really. I’m not sure why anyone would think a car several hundred pounds heavier, less power and neither having traction issues and launching similarly would be faster...

I haven’t timed it officially, I need to get some device to measure 60 I guess. But I can guarantee you it’s below 3 simply by counting - no way it’s above 3, that’s for sure. I know that just by counting. He’ll i hit 45 inn first gear in what seems like almost instantly.

As to the 0-60 being worthless to you that’s your opinion I respectfully disagree, it’s one of the most important numbers to me. Again it tells a lot about traction, torque and weight. 60-130 means very little to me, I don’t go around racing to 130mph...

[Antetokounmpo]

Originally Posted by Quick335XI

It’s simple match, logic and physics really. I’m not sure why anyone would think a car several hundred pounds heavier, less power and neither having traction issues and launching similarly would be faster...

I haven’t timed it officially, I need to get some device to measure 60 I guess. But I can guarantee you it’s below 3 simply by counting - no way it’s above 3, that’s for sure. I know that just by counting. He’ll i hit 45 inn first gear in what seems like almost instantly.

As to the 0-60 being worthless to you that’s your opinion I respectfully disagree, it’s one of the most important numbers to me. Again it tells a lot about traction, torque and weight. 60-130 means very little to me, I don’t go around racing to 130mph...

That's just it, it NOT simple math, physics and logic, it's all about the driver with a 6mt. Launching an AWD 6mt manual turbo car is not easy in any sense of the immagination, unless of course you have zero regard for the cars drivetrain and are willing to dump the clutch from high rpm. I've had my 6mt 335xi for 6 years now, I should know. If your car was an automatic I would totally buy it. You will never be able to pull the acceleration forces with a 6mt that the M5 does launching off the converter.

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by Antetokounmpo

it's all about the driver with a 6mt. Launching an AWD 6mt manual turbo car is not easy in any sense of the imagination.

Yes - I also have AWD 6MT, also for 6 years. Hard to get the best times, harder still to be consistent, even with zero regard for health of drivetrain

An aside but I really want to know - what did they disconnect to cause your engine to flood with methanol?

[Quick335XI]

I can’t speak about your 6mt but mine has almost zero traction issue and shoots like an arrow.

And I should qualify my post by saying I’m not factoring in the driver here I’m talking capabilities of the car. If you factor in the driver, he’ll any car can be slow lol. Again I’ve been down the track many times and I can tell u this car will do much better than 3.5 lol.

Does yours have launch control and NLS? Maybe that’s part of the problem with ur car?

[dpaul]

Yes, NLS.

OK, great.

So, what did they disconnect to cause your engine to flood?

[Emilime75]

Originally Posted by dpaul

Just curious - what could someone disconnect in the course of a wheel alignment (or any service) that would cause your engine to be flooded with meth?

Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.

[blown07]

Originally Posted by dpaul

Yes - I also have AWD 6MT, also for 6 years. Hard to get the best times, harder still to be consistent, even with zero regard for health of drivetrain

An aside but I really want to know - what did they disconnect to cause your engine to flood with methanol?

Finally some reality to this debate.
I only jumped on the original comment of 0 to 60 in 2.3s because I've been testing the past couple of weeks with the AWD auto with Dragy. Last weekend I got a 3.66 brake boosting with first gear limited to 14psi because it was 0C (targetting 20PSI in second but didn't get there either). I am hoping for a 3.5X with a perfect run and more traction.
Also looking for 11.5's in the 1/4 - BTW a 2.3s 0 to 60 would net you what - low 10's?
You will not be able to put full power down in first mainly because there is not enough load/time and the fact that your front diff may not survive a clutch dump. The 6MT also has worse gearing so I doubt you will do under 3.5s personally.

[Silent9n54]

not sure what OP is smoking but i believe he needs to cut a 1.3x 60foot to run 2.3 0-60

good luck with that !

question for OP... how many cars have you seen that run 2.3 0-60 ??


friend of mine has a rs3 which runs 10.5 all day and he spent a year fine tuning his awd system for a better launch and he got 2.9 0-60. AUTOMATIC TRANS

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