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      06-12-2019, 05:53 PM   #639
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Holy crap that's impressive. My 7" non-hd is way worse than that on 2+. https://datazap.me/u/heel-toe/fmic-3...data=3-4-14-22
The HD cores are a game changer
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      06-13-2019, 05:20 PM   #640
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I can't find the Amazon link anymore, but this one is the same description.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rev9-BMW-E8...-/351953081029

I have had it a couple of years. I have installed a few and I have never had an issue with the OEM couplers. I have also installed a couple of VSRF 7" and of course with those there is cutting and universal couplers and such to work with. If you get a larger one that require the used of couplers, I highly recommend getting proper quality worm gear clamps to use instead of the cheap T bolts that most ship with their FMIC's.

I have had this one a couple of years, no issues. I will be going with something larger when I install the PS2.





Is this the one you got?
https://www.amazon.com/Front-Mount-I...ustomerReviews

How was install? I have a 335is with ER charge pipe
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Is this the one you got?
https://www.amazon.com/Front-Mount-I...ustomerReviews

How was install? I have a 335is with ER charge pipe
I have that one on a 2007 e90 335...install was fine. I had a little piece of plastic on my radiator that had to come out and I ended up taking off the bumper cover to get it...would’ve been much easier to just take the cover off to start.

Some people complain about getting the hoses back on the couplings but I didn’t struggle with that...I hooked up the hoses first then jacked the intercooler into place...

That looks like a good price too...
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      07-04-2019, 11:00 AM   #642
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Does anyone have the VRSF 7" HD in stock? It is the IC that I want to go with, but it is saying that it will not ship until 8/31. That is a long time to wait...https://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-7-fron...2-e90-e92.html

Any suggestions about alternate ICs if the VRSF is unavailable? I was ideally looking to be at about $500 for the IC and the connectors. The Burger Race IC looks good, but it seems like people say that the VRSF 7" HD is the better option. Would anyone reading agree with this? It seems like the BMS is a Phoenix Racing IC. Is the BMS Race IC also an HD intercooler? It seems like going with an IC that has larger connectors than stock is a positive?
BMS IC I am considering:
https://www.burgertuning.com/collect...nt-intercooler

I want to start with an intake, DP, CP and IC. I will also add the inlets at some point. E85 is available near me so I will also likely do an e85 blend tune. At some point in the future, I could see doing a better fuel pump and inlets. I don't plan to do anything to the turbos at the moment. That might change if the turbos were to need to be replaced.

I appreciate any help. At the moment, it feels a bit like paralysis by analysis... I have done some reading, but now it is just pulling the trigger.
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Does anyone have the VRSF 7" HD in stock? It is the IC that I want to go with, but it is saying that it will not ship until 8/31. That is a long time to wait...https://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-7-fron...2-e90-e92.html

Any suggestions about alternate ICs if the VRSF is unavailable? I was ideally looking to be at about $500 for the IC and the connectors. The Burger Race IC looks good, but it seems like people say that the VRSF 7" HD is the better option. Would anyone reading agree with this? It seems like the BMS is a Phoenix Racing IC. Is the BMS Race IC also an HD intercooler? It seems like going with an IC that has larger connectors than stock is a positive?
BMS IC I am considering:
https://www.burgertuning.com/collect...nt-intercooler

I want to start with an intake, DP, CP and IC. I will also add the inlets at some point. E85 is available near me so I will also likely do an e85 blend tune. At some point in the future, I could see doing a better fuel pump and inlets. I don't plan to do anything to the turbos at the moment. That might change if the turbos were to need to be replaced.

I appreciate any help. At the moment, it feels a bit like paralysis by analysis... I have done some reading, but now it is just pulling the trigger.
Hi,
You wont find it used, i recommend placing a pre-order with your favorite vendor and waiting. It is worth the wait
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You wont find it used, i recommend placing a pre-order with your favorite vendor and waiting. It is worth the wait
Thanks for the help!
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Hehe speaking about VRSF, just installed a VRSF 5" HD Stepped.

Compared to my Forge, my thoughts :

- Cooling is twice better than the Forge (14° vs 29° delta) during a 3rd to 4th gear pull
- Underboosting by 0.5/1 psi compared to target (Forge was closest) but a bit more psi too
- Higher WGDC by around 5% (but ambient temp was higher, probably normal?)
- Slower spool by 100 rpms at initial spool up (in 3rd gear, 560 rpms/1.40sec to reach target with the VRSF, vs 460 rpms/1.1sec with the Forge)

Maybe the DME has to adapt a bit more, it seems like it pulls stronger at mid and high rpm, but not in the low rpm.. while i am happy with IATs, i was looking for better results at low rpm (it was my main concern) i guess it's because of the extra volume over the Forge which is not stepped.

Anyone got a pic of the passenger side coupler from the engine bay (from top) ? The turbo outlet metal pipe has two lips, my silicone couplers goes over the first lip, but not over the second lip or just barely, just like the stock accordeon coupler, i think it's normal, but just want to be sure ? (if i move the coupler over the second lip, i might be short on the endtank connection btw)

Like on this pic :



EDIT: got confirmation by email of VRSF support that the clamp has to be placed after the first lip, so it's ok.

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Hey guys, I've been reading this thread all morning but I still can't decide what FMIC would be best for my needs, maybe you guys can help.

My 335i XDrive is bone stock as of now but with in the next year I aim to have:

Remus Exhaust
Secondary cat delete
Tial BOV + chargepipe
Catless Downpipes (not sure what brand, any recommendations?)
Dual Cone Intake
JB4

I am thinking the Wagner EVO II Performance or the EVO I Competition. I really don't know what's best for my car so any help would be greatly appreciated, cheers.
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Hey guys, I've been reading this thread all morning but I still can't decide what FMIC would be best for my needs, maybe you guys can help.

My 335i XDrive is bone stock as of now but with in the next year I aim to have:

Remus Exhaust
Secondary cat delete
Tial BOV + chargepipe
Catless Downpipes (not sure what brand, any recommendations?)
Dual Cone Intake
JB4

I am thinking the Wagner EVO II Performance or the EVO I Competition. I really don't know what's best for my car so any help would be greatly appreciated, cheers.
The EVO II intercooler would be better than EVO I since you will be running a stage 2 map
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Is it possible to use the 7.5 race interccoler with stock twins?
FBO with inlets and outlets, MHD stg 2+
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I think I might be reaching or going beyond the limits of my 5" ETS. Mods are listed in my sig. IAT's seem to be getting a little high this year, so I was wondering if upgrading to a 7" style would make much difference on my car? I am running stock turbos but just about everything else has been upgraded.
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Is it possible to use the 7.5 race interccoler with stock twins?
FBO with inlets and outlets, MHD stg 2+
Yes, while overkill, if you plan on upgrading the turbos in the future it makes the most sense for a purchase.

Also, you should get a custom tune. Small money. I'm guessing you don't have E85 access so run some meth.
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^well said.

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Is it possible to use the 7.5 race interccoler with stock twins?
FBO with inlets and outlets, MHD stg 2+
Yes!
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I do understand it might be overkill, but driving around in a 45'c for half a year is not fun.
Yes the plan is to have upgraded twins soon along with a custom tune, i do have access to E85. But this is my daily and E85 prices here are nightmare.
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Anyone run the ARM 7" intercooler? It's one of the cheapest on the market but it might be cheap for a reason....
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Anyone run the ARM 7" intercooler? It's one of the cheapest on the market but it might be cheap for a reason....
I have that on my car, i had to do extra work on the outlet side to match the inside diameter, i used to have forge 5" before i feel it was performing better (cooling wise).
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Anyone run the ARM 7" intercooler? It's one of the cheapest on the market but it might be cheap for a reason....
its easily outclassed by any 6" or larger brand intercooler.
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285 dollars for a 7.5" race intercooler. Funny ad with last pictures attacking VRSF.

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/40000...chweb201603_60
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