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      04-26-2008, 01:24 PM   #45
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probably as many as there are BMS tunes in total?
with 30k+ though?
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if i blew my turbos and somehow my motor, i would park my car and wait for someone to total their's, buy their motor... save 20-24k. 30k for a motor in a 42k car Hotrod182? Come on...


I'd just push it into a lake or something and claim that it was stolen..im with you, it's retarded to shell out that kind of money to fix a motor and turbo...


Anyone here have mechanical insurance? I have that with Geico, they'll cover all the moving parts of my car and i only pay extra 40 bucks a year.
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I'd just push it into a lake or something and claim that it was stolen..im with you, it's retarded to shell out that kind of money to fix a motor and turbo...


Anyone here have mechanical insurance? I have that with Geico, they'll cover all the moving parts of my car and i only pay extra 40 bucks a year.
Really? I severely doubt they would cover this kind of thing...
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I'd just push it into a lake or something and claim that it was stolen..im with you, it's retarded to shell out that kind of money to fix a motor and turbo...


Anyone here have mechanical insurance? I have that with Geico, they'll cover all the moving parts of my car and i only pay extra 40 bucks a year.
i think when push came to shove Geico would still find a way not to warranty that, especially if they can find mods were at fault
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with 30k+ though?
I have 20k and we can confidently say there are 1,000+ procede users out there with various mileage on their cars, i have seen a number (sorry didn't count how many) post about 30 and 40k+ cars with procede, no issues.
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i think when push came to shove Geico would still find a way not to warranty that, especially if they can find mods were at fault
Most insurance policies have exclusions for modifications unless you specifically insure for them, in which they probably wouldn't approve an engine modification in the first place.
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Most insurance policies have exclusions for modifications unless you specifically insure for them, in which they probably wouldn't approve an engine modification in the first place.
yeah that kinda what I was thinking. I know you can warranty cosmetic mods, but when tuning an engine i think all insurance companies would stay away from that
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I don't know if the mods want to see the DME printouts, more engine pictures, audio clips?, I'm obliged to provide them upon request. The DME fault codes "signature" that is left when check engine lights come on in modified cars are uniquely suspicious to BMW.

Can you post the DME print out with the customer/dealer info blocked out.
I believe you, just want to see what they look like.



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Hotrod, post the DME printouts. I do not see the harm in presenting that information.
I don't have his printout with me now, and probably wouldn't post his personal read outs publicly anyways. However, here is part of a 11 page printout report on another modified 335i. You can see how much stuff in monitored from manifold pressure sensor, throttle motor, light bulbs, exhaust valve, etc, etc. It tells which ones will trigger a CEL etc. Most of this stuff probably wouldn't show up on a generic code reader. Modified cars with CELs start showing more peculiarities in their fault signatures that BMW is becoming pretty interested in investigating. Remember, readouts are uploaded and BMW can immediately analyze stuff from across the country. Pretty interesting stuff?
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Was this an AT or MT car?

Any idea what the hight boost PSI was?
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Okay suddenly the new M3 don't seem so bad after all.
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Okay suddenly the new M3 don't seem so bad after all.
I think the 335i will be fine for some fun drag runs every once in a while, and everyday driving with mild boost increases. I still believe Dinan researched quite extensively what the little turbos will handle in regards to safe boost levels. I don't think running the 335i on a track with sustained high boost levels is a smart idea. The M3 is definitely the better solution for running a road course on a warmer day, etc. At the end of the year, I may be getting an 09 M3 to replace my 335i sedan. I just don't look forward to getting 12mpg, etc. I think the 335i is perfect with 10-12psi. But who knows exactly what the longterm ramifactions are of specific boost levels. But the higher the boost, the more load there is on your turbo bearings, etc. I think running 15psi+ boost on these little turbos is asking for trouble. The increased temperatures and shaft speeds will kill the turbos, its just a matter of time. Hopefully those that have, or know of failures can post to keep the N54 community informed on this very important subject.
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This is what I dont like.
Fault does not cause warning light (MIL)
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This thread has just 100% justified my decision of going with Dinan. Thank you OP.
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This is what I dont like.
Fault does not cause warning light (MIL)
Interestingly enough, I had my fuel pump recall done this week. Took it in with the JB2H installed. There were no issues, and absolutely no faults stored even though I had some 1/2 engine lights/limps trying to run 2HH pills initially at Famosa last month. I was very curious, and then relieved to know that nothing was stored.

FYI: On that vehicle printout above, the low fuel pressure on injector opening is indicative of a failing fuel pump.

I used to have long cranking on restart with my car, but that was around 10months ago, and just went away on its own. My car was always strong running so I wasn't concerned. Kind of interested to know if the new fuel pump might make my car slower, but I never got around to doing a before/after Vbox run.
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I think the 335i will be fine for some fun drag runs every once in a while, and everyday driving with mild boost increases. I still believe Dinan researched quite extensively what the little turbos will handle in regards to safe boost levels. I don't think running the 335i on a track with sustained high boost levels is a smart idea. The M3 is definitely the better solution for running a road course on a warmer day, etc. At the end of the year, I may be getting an 09 M3 to replace my 335i sedan. I just don't look forward to getting 12mpg, etc. I think the 335i is perfect with 10-12psi. But who knows exactly what the longterm ramifactions are of specific boost levels. But the higher the boost, the more load there is on your turbo bearings, etc. I think running 15psi+ boost on these little turbos is asking for trouble. The increased temperatures and shaft speeds will kill the turbos, its just a matter of time. Hopefully those that have, or know of failures can post to keep the N54 community informed on this very important subject.

Reason why i didn't buy the M3 is because the 335i has easier/cheaper potential speedwise...but now that this article was brought up, it's going to change my perception dramatically...there are like 5 M3's at each of my dealership i think i'll go check it out soon.
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The sound in that video isn't from the wastegates, but I don't believe it's abnormal. Without a real reference theres no way to tell how loud it is, but turbos whining isn't exactly strange. Especially super high RPM turbos like ours.
Just as a FYI according to my dealer, this sound is a known issue and BMW is working on a solution.
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Just as a FYI according to my dealer, this sound is a known issue and BMW is working on a solution.
Just as an FYI if you think the NORMAL sound of injectors and valves (as in that video) sounds like this

http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z...oise_after.flv

A solution needs to be worked on for a certain organ in your body.




Unless you're talking about something unrelated to the wastegate issue, in which case disregard my comment and substitute the comment that your dealer is ignorant.
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This thread has just 100% justified my decision of going with Dinan. Thank you OP.
^^ What he said.
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Just as an FYI if you think the NORMAL sound of injectors and valves (as in that video) sounds like this

http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z...oise_after.flv

A solution needs to be worked on for a certain organ in your body.




Unless you're talking about something unrelated to the wastegate issue, in which case disregard my comment and substitute the comment that your dealer is ignorant.

Talking about the whining sound in this video (The turbo whine).



Mine started doing that long before I even knew what a tune was, dealer was just going to replace the turbos last time it was in the shop but BMW told them to hold off as they think they will have a solution for it soon.
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Talking about the whining sound in this video (The turbo whine).



Mine started doing that long before I even knew what a tune was, dealer was just going to replace the turbos last time it was in the shop but BMW told them to hold off as they think they will have a solution for it soon.
Oh well then disregard both comments, I didn't think you were talking about what the video was actually about after so many people replied about the clanking.
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