[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Fundahl

Q4P, you need to participate in more street races. Z06's aren't unbeatable. Anyway, it's annoying to be close minded about anything. Horsepower, weight and traction. Any car can be built for those things, to a degree. Some routes are easier than others, for sure.

And about the AWD thing, not everyone races from a traction limited dig, and the fastest drag cars in the world are RWD. You just have to build it right....

Anyway, I hope this thing actually gets on the dyno soon.

lol... you're talking to someone that knows a thing or two about cars...

Yes, a Z06 is beatable... point being; an N54 no matter how heavily modified (even with over 500 WHP) has not been able to beat one single 100% stock Z06 yet... Enrita couldn't even do that and that's after spending 15-20K on modifying his car... There is a logic point that one has to get too where the benefits do not outweigh the costs.

Yes, not everyone races from a traction limited dig... at the same time a car that is only good at racing above 50 MPH is next to useless as a DD which is the whole idea here. Then factor in potential reliability and it's no longer such a great proposition... I just like to keep things real here; if you didn't notice that GTR which has a 700 pounds disadvantage has only a 2 MPH trap speed disadvantage in the 1/4 over the 458. That alone should say something about the engineering of that car and that there are other factors at play here which cannot be replicated by simply adding tons of power to an engine.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I'm not sure where you live but no one around here has many opportunities to go from a red light, its almost always on the freeway.

you did notice the minute 2 MPH difference in trap speed; right? Add to that the fact... that he can buy a Cobb AP just as easily as we can... I am just keeping things in perspective for people who sometimes like to live on the clouds is all.

We are still only talking about a drag race here and not factoring in anything else.

[Aridk]

Originally Posted by nafoo

The race is on! Shiv has his single installed. Let's see who can get dyno numbers first!

I Think that HPF is waiting for Shiv to dail In the Proceed to a Big single!

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Q4P

you did notice the minute 2 MPH difference in trap speed; right? Add to that the fact... that he can buy a Cobb AP just as easily as we can... I am just keeping things in perspective for people who sometimes like to live on the clouds is all.

We are still only talking about a drag race here and not factoring in anything else.

Yes 2 MPH is nothing when a RWD car is spinning tire, especially on a unprepared concrete runway. (let alone different drivers).

Trap speeds arent an exact science when their are external factors.

Living in the clouds would be assuming a realistic match up between a 500WHP N54 and a GTR can happen readily at any given day of the week. I see about 1 GTR every 3 months and never at a red light. It's usually parked. As for the 500WHP N54's..... crickets.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves indeed.

[jpsimon]

z06 shmee-oh-six. i'd take a GTR over most cars including a z06. don't care if a modded z06 is very tough to beat, i'd still much rather be driving a modded GTR

[Q4P]

exactly Jeff... it would be like assuming a perfect situation would happen when it never does.

And yes JP, I would also prefer to be driving a modded GTR.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Q4P

exactly Jeff... it would be like assuming a perfect situation would happen when it never does.

And yes JP, I would also prefer to be driving a modded GTR.

Glad we can see eye to eye.

Except that my next car will be a z06

[TurboSid]

gtr's maintenance costs are what scare me...

i think i'd rather go with a z06 as well

[woodga16]

I'd take a modded z06 over a GTR for daily driving or on the track...if you're on a budget, the new 5.0 is one of the best new platforms to build. Easily a low 10 sec. car and with a grand in suspension mods can run right with a M3 on the track. My .02. GTR's have great engineering from the a mechanical standpoint, but have you seen the interior...built similar to my wifes 2001 eclipse ...I do agree that corvettes lack there too. Just garage talk.

[OpenFlash]

Robert@vishnu's daily driver is a 600whp Z06 (full bolt-ons plus tune). It's ridiculously fast (and loud) on the road. A high 10s car for sure. But on the street, it feels wide and a bit ungainly. Definitely a better track car than a street car. Still wouldn't mind having one though

[woodga16]

Originally Posted by woodga16

I'd take a modded z06 over a GTR for daily driving or on the track...if you're on a budget, the new 5.0 is one of the best new platforms to build. Easily a low 10 sec. car and with a grand in suspension mods can run right with a M3 on the track. My .02. GTR's have great engineering from the a mechanical standpoint, but have you seen the interior...built similar to my wifes 2001 eclipse ...I do agree that corvettes lack there too. Just garage talk.

Also, got to love the fact that American manufacturers are finally building cars for straight line AND track now...makes each other manufacturer step their game up one step further...have to love it.

[ashleymarie0792]

We Want Resultssssss Chris

[EastBayE90]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Robert@vishnu's daily driver is a 600whp Z06 (full bolt-ons plus tune). It's ridiculously fast (and loud) on the road. A high 10s car for sure. But on the street, it feels wide and a bit ungainly. Definitely a better track car than a street car. Still wouldn't mind having one though

Rob's vette is insane. I've seen him dust 1000cc street bikes on the freeway. Lord help anyone trying to beat that thing. I guess we will see how it does at the airstrip event next month.

[ajsalida]

Recent 2012 Z06 vs 2013 GTR track test...

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...ison-test.html

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Robert@vishnu's daily driver is a 600whp Z06 (full bolt-ons plus tune). It's ridiculously fast (and loud) on the road. A high 10s car for sure. But on the street, it feels wide and a bit ungainly. Definitely a better track car than a street car. Still wouldn't mind having one though

Exactly why I would like to have a GTR... traction and a DCT are a tough combo to beat for most situations.

Originally Posted by woodga16

Also, got to love the fact that American manufacturers are finally building cars for straight line AND track now...makes each other manufacturer step their game up one step further...have to love it.

Not exactly... yes; there have been massive improvements but for someone who is used to driving foreign sports cars; it's far from being there quite yet. American cars still don't have the fit and finish or interior quality that many require nor do they inspire the confidence in a driver that is pushing the vehicles limits. Having driven a Z06, Camaro and a 5.0... they all felt very twitchy on their feet with the 5.0 being the worst in the body roll and disconnected steering sense. In other words; there is a long way to go before M3 drivers start switching to new Mustangs.

[nailer335]

How disheartening... It's been a week since I've visited this thread, and skipping to the last page for a quick assessment on whether the pages and pages I missed before it are worth reading... I'm going with no lol. But at least I'm caught up on Z06s and GTRs and everyone's opinions on them... Must be a lot going on with this...

[Fundahl]

Originally Posted by Q4P

lol... you're talking to someone that knows a thing or two about cars...

Yes, a Z06 is beatable... point being; an N54 no matter how heavily modified (even with over 500 WHP) has not been able to beat one single 100% stock Z06 yet... Enrita couldn't even do that and that's after spending 15-20K on modifying his car... There is a logic point that one has to get too where the benefits do not outweigh the costs.

Yes, not everyone races from a traction limited dig... at the same time a car that is only good at racing above 50 MPH is next to useless as a DD which is the whole idea here. Then factor in potential reliability and it's no longer such a great proposition... I just like to keep things real here; if you didn't notice that GTR which has a 700 pounds disadvantage has only a 2 MPH trap speed disadvantage in the 1/4 over the 458. That alone should say something about the engineering of that car and that there are other factors at play here which cannot be replicated by simply adding tons of power to an engine.

Understood. You made it sound like it could never happen with any N54 powered car, and I came off a bit harsh. I think there is potential for the N54 to develop into something more substantial. The stock frame turbos choke the car even from the factory.

My hope for the two N54 projects are high. And let's hope someone fully cracks this Direct Injection system. e85 with a twin-scroll GTX3582 or EFR7670 would be AWESOME!

[Ferruccio]

While it'd be nice to try beating a stock ZO6 or whatnot, we've got to put things in perspective here. We're still driving luxury coupes and sedans that are quite quiet and civilized under normal driving. The ZO6 is in a different league. It'd be cool to at least scare a ZO6 owner by not *completely* disappearing in the mirror, but maybe being a few car lengths behind, especially given the rather unassuming looks.

I'm mainly curious to see if it's even remotely possible to do an HPF turbo kit for an AWD drivetrain.

[TurboSid]

u can do it... the only time u can go WOT though would be from a roll lol

[Evooooo]

My buddy had a 135i fully bolted with meth n he was side by side with a z06 so I'm not sure why people are saying there is no chance. Imagine. 135 with the single setup from a roll. It's weight to power ratio would be very favorable no?

[HPF Chris]

Originally Posted by ashleymarie0792

We Want Resultssssss Chris

The 335i is on the dyno now. Man it sounds mean!!!

Chris.

[Crazylegs]

Originally Posted by HPF Chris

The 335i is on the dyno now. Man it sounds mean!!!

Chris.

wedcast?