Game Over !! Audi is dropping the 3.2 A4 for 2010

Indy335iCp · 08-04-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramos

Nobody has even brought up weight distribution yet... Guess they improved it on the new B8 A4, it's not 60% - 40% anymore, it's now an amazing 56% - 44 %

And the understeer has gone from hopeless to just terminal

And by the way, as I have already said, I am no fan boy, I think the R8 is a great machine and would love to own one... The reason I was making a joke about hating Audi drivers was a refernce to Jeremy Clarkson

According to Jeremy Clarkson (BBC Top Gear), cocks drive in Audi’s (eg., watch a fragment below). He has always thought of BMW as uncool just because cocks drive in them. This year he has seen a turn-around. Cocks have traded (its mostly a company-car, weak) in their BMW for an Audi making Audi, finally, the new ‘cock’-car.

Audi makes plenty of fine cars other than the R8. It's not matter of BMW vs. Audi to me. I'm not loyal to either one. I drove a 2006 A4 2.0t before my 335i. It was a fantastic car. Reliable, quick enough for what I needed, and absolutely killer in the winter. BMW and Audi are competitors but they are better at different things. BMW makes a better driver's car IMO. Audi has quattro which still trounces xdrive, amazing interiors, and two of the best looking cars on the road anywhere in the A5/S5 and R8.

You can appreciate both manufacturers even if you aren't driving one or the other.

am_ver · 08-04-2009, 11:38 PM

Might be true for the B7 - which I test drove several times couple of months ago, but ended up buying the A6 instead. The B7's sounded like they were running out of breath when accelerating, but the B8 felt completely different - much better and more refined IMO. Quite frankly, the 328 felt underpowered in comparison.

Jetta and A4 comparison is relevant only if the FWD cars are considered - with the Quattro it is a whole different ballgame.

I did own a Jetta before my e90 325i - it was a great first car out of college.

Some of the post are reminding me of BJ, especially his sedan comment.

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Originally Posted by jopa489

+1

Sorry Audi fans, but I've driven the A4 extensively and it just doesn't compare to the 328. It feels like a dolled up Jetta to me too. That's just my personal opinion, I'm really not interested in hearing reasons why I'm wrong. You like what you like, I'll like what I like.

And this isn't news. They announced this almost six months ago.

Inspired · 08-04-2009, 11:43 PM

Wow, if S4 is really priced at 46k.. I guess I have to jump on one for my next car...

am_ver · 08-04-2009, 11:44 PM

thats because the 335i entered M3's territory. Which they had to, to compete with the G35 300hp.
The new A6 has the 3.0T (300hp, 310 lb ft) - I would have thought that Audi would add the 3.0T to the A4 line to compete with the 335i.

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Originally Posted by lonestar22

Audi should have kept/updated the 2.7t. if that motor was still around theres nothing anyone on here could say since those motors date back to 2000 and are out there whipping up on E9x M3's right now

what i dont understand is why Audi wont step up the power, i mean the S4 and M3 used to be competitors now the S4 is in 335 territory. they really need to step it up

07-335XI · 08-04-2009, 11:49 PM

The new s4 will be a great car. Tested by this magazine they were able to do 0-60 in 5.1secs.. 1/4 mile in 13.2secs. With a tune and tune the car will be a beast.

Forgot the link

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302349

Ramos · 08-05-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by am_ver

Some of the post are reminding me of BJ, especially his sedan comment.

OMG, that guy was hilarious, wonder where he is these days??
was he ever on here or just on Bimmefest? Maybe he's off to the Audi forums dricing a stripper A5 with cloth seats !!!

blue2fire · 08-05-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramos

And by the way, as I have already said, I am no fan boy, I think the R8 is a great machine and would love to own one... The reason I was making a joke about hating Audi drivers was a refernce to Jeremy Clarkson

According to Jeremy Clarkson (BBC Top Gear), cocks drive in Audi’s (eg., watch a fragment below). He has always thought of BMW as uncool just because cocks drive in them. This year he has seen a turn-around. Cocks have traded (its mostly a company-car, weak) in their BMW for an Audi making Audi, finally, the new ‘cock’-car.

jlstyle · 08-05-2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramos

So for now,
A4 2.0 < 328
S4 < 335

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Originally Posted by Ramos

You're all fired... Bunch of Audi Fanboys... You should all be banned

To all Audi fanboys: GET THE F OUT OF HERE, GET LOST

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Originally Posted by Ramos

Finally one intelligent person on here... The A4 is a Jetta

Did I mention that I hate Audi's and people who drive Audi's?

LOL. What a true fanboy....
Don't think you are all that with your BMW.
This is why people with BMW are thought to be morons.
BMW isn't all that better than other cars just because you own it.

Performance wise, different thing for different people, but design wise, Audi > BMW all day long.

jayely1 · 08-05-2009, 01:14 AM

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The new s4 will be a great car. Tested by this magazine they were able to do 0-60 in 5.1secs.. 1/4 mile in 13.2secs. With a tune and tune the car will be a beast.

Forgot the link

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302349

And the 335i does 0-60 in 4.8-5.2 ans 1/4 mile in 13.3-13.5....
Still rather have the 335i...If the new Cayman S was about 10k cheaper that would be my next car!

Inspired · 08-05-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jlstyle

LOL. What a true fanboy....
Don't think you are all that with your BMW.
This is why people with BMW are thought to be morons.
BMW isn't all that better than other cars just because you own it.

Performance wise, different thing for different people, but design wise, Audi > BMW all day long.

+1.. what do you expect.. its e90post.. BMW fan boys are the worst in the planet..

Gig103 · 08-05-2009, 01:28 AM

I had a 2005 A4 2.0T and it was a great car. Sure it was a 4-banger, but the turbo mated with a manual transmission made it very quick.

I can say for sure that if you need AWD, the A4Q is better than the 328xi. The -xi I drove seemed underpowered compared to my car, which is partly why I got the 335xi anyway. Of course, I will add the caveat that I drove an auto transmission 328 compared to my MT Audi.

I really like the new body style but think it's overpriced compared to a 328i, and the facelifted sedan does help. Interesting to see them give up on their V6 but if it was anything like my 2004 Passat V6, nothing to write home about anyway.

ianbiz · 08-05-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aut0sh0cker

I dont really agree with you...

IMO: 328 < A4 < 335 < S4

I would take the new S4/5 over my 335i if Audi prices were a little more competitive. I really think Audi's styling of late has been pretty damn good. That's just my own opinion, please dont flame me.

Im with you. Audi's styling is A+ minus their passenger/back windows. I love the fronts and backs, but sides are always a bit meh.

Joeb427 · 08-05-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DrGP

Not sure the base will be $46K but that is a really good estimate of the BASE MSRP without options. Most figure that a lightly optioned (6MT, no Nav, No Audi drive select) can be had for under $50k.

No doubt you won't find a S4 for under $53K or more unless you order one..They'll be loaded with options.

DrGP · 08-05-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Staszek

I think you are going a bit low on the S4 price. The S5 is already at $51 without any options. A 335 (coupe) without options is $43.5

I think the new S4 will probably be $48k min without one option. That would be $3k less for the sedan over the coupe, very similar to the 335 sedan which is $3k less then the coupe.

The M3 sedan is only $54 base so there is a bit of confusion there with which way the S4 is really leaning. Its probably $7-8k more then the 335 but only $6k less then an M3 which will out perform the S4 while the S4 wont beat the 335 by much.

What you may have forgotten to take into consideration is that the current S5 ans S4 still has the 4.2V8 with a $1700 Gas guzzler tax which is a window sticker line item but not included in the base. So purchasing a non GG 6MT will save you $1700 over an 08 S4 and that $1700 is included in the price of an S5. BTW<,we should know for sure on Friday what the Actual cost is rather than just speculating.

DrGP · 08-05-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeb427

No doubt you won't find a S4 for under $53K or more unless you order one..They'll be loaded with options.

That would be correct, in fact there was a statement made by Audi that most brought to the US would be about over $50K Ordering is not that hard to do. I ordered my curent 335i.

cchan21 · 08-05-2009, 08:40 AM

I own an A4. 2.0

To say this car does not compete w/ the 328 is ridiculous. The car may not be as fast as the 3 series but it does compare. The audi interiors are higher class and the quattro is a whole level against the beamer xdrive.

I've heard rumors of Beemers fanboys that put themselves all mighty and such but i thought it was just audi fanboys saying it. After reading some posts, i'm not so sure that it's only audi fanboys saying the stereotype.

My next car was going to be a 335 but I might have to reconsider.

P.s. audi's are made in the same platform as Lambos as well. Since audi = vw does it also = lambo?

Verrückt · 08-05-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by A418t81

Which is why they killed the 3.2....it simply isn't needed with the 2.0T and the S4 positioned the way it is. The new S4 is their 335 beater, and it does a good job of it at a very competitive price. It's also a larger car, and gets better fuel economy than the 335. The auto is a 7 speed dual clutch tranny too, which is pretty cool. The euro mags are getting 5.1 0-100 km/h with no roll out, which will EASILY be a 4.6 or lower 0-60 time here in the states. I'm not an S4 fanboy, but the car is very impressive.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Ramos

$46K... Where on earth did you get that from? Pricing for the 2010 s4 is not out yet, and I just priced an A4 (Yes the 2.0TT) at $48,775
with just S-Line, Metallic, Drive Select and Nav

Why are you guys saying they are cheap... I think they are at least 10K over the Bimmers with similar options...

Please let me know where I can get that S4 for 46K

You'd be wrong. It's actually going to be a little cheaper than that...with 18's standard, sport heated seats, xenon, bluetooth, sunroof, etc.

Price out a 335i to the spec of a no-options S4 and you'll actually find it being more expensive.

Official pricing will come shortly.

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Originally Posted by Ramos

Finally one intelligent person on here... The A4 is a Jetta

Did I mention that I hate Audi's and people who drive Audi's?

The A4 has as much to do with a Jetta than the 3 series to a Mini.

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Originally Posted by angler

how can you take any car company serious that does not make a 6mt in their sports car?

WTF are you talking about? The R8 V8, R8 V10, RS4, S4, etc are all STANDARD with a 6 speed manual transmission.

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Originally Posted by Joeb427

Motor Trend magazine on the new S4.

"Audi names its competition for the 2010 S4 as BMW's M3 and the Mercedes' C63 AMG"

"Performance closer to a 335i with a price tag closer to an M3"

Totally incorrect. Much of what you read in the automotive media is BS these days, that included.

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Originally Posted by roozie2001

2010 S4 is lame. A big V8 that get walked by a tune only 335.

The 2010 S4 doesn't have a V8. It's got a supercharged V6 that walks a 335i all day long. Tune only S4's are 430+ hp, so it can compete with bolt-ons too.

Actually, it could turn out to be a better tuner car than the 335i. It's got a stronger closed deck block with forged internals from the V10 twin turbo RS6. You guys have an open deck block with cast internals.

Are you saying when the pricing is announced at mid 40's you'll be trading your BMW in?

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Originally Posted by vadim

Chipping a supercharged engine is not going to produce the same power gains as chipping a turbocharged engine. The difference is that while in a turbocharged engine a "chip" can raise the boost by controlling how much exhaust gases hit the turbine at any given RPM, in a supercharged engine the compressor is mechanically linked to the crankshaft and therefore increasing the boost is not feasible by "chipping". To increase the boost, you need to either install a bigger driving pulley (mounted on the crankshaft), and/or a smaller pulley on the supercharger shaft. So don't believe stories about getting huge gains from chipping a supercharged car.

Actually I don't believe you because you're pretty clueless on the issue.

The S4 uses an Eaton TVS blower with an electronic bleed flap mounted next to the throttle body. At about 2000 RPM to redline on the stock tune, this flap opens bypassing the supercharger and controlling the boost level much like a wastegate does on a turbocharged system.

Closing that flap can increase the boost level without chaning the transmission ratio of the supercharger belt drive.

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Originally Posted by Ramos

Nobody has even brought up weight distribution yet... Guess they improved it on the new B8 A4, it's not 60% - 40% anymore, it's now an amazing 56% - 44 %

And the understeer has gone from hopeless to just terminal

And by the way, as I have already said, I am no fan boy, I think the R8 is a great machine and would love to own one... The reason I was making a joke about hating Audi drivers was a refernce to Jeremy Clarkson

According to Jeremy Clarkson (BBC Top Gear), cocks drive in Audi’s (eg., watch a fragment below). He has always thought of BMW as uncool just because cocks drive in them. This year he has seen a turn-around. Cocks have traded (its mostly a company-car, weak) in their BMW for an Audi making Audi, finally, the new ‘cock’-car.

Actually, it's 55/45 on the new S4. Available for less than $1k is the new torque vectoring electronic rear differential. It makes the car very neutral under acceleration and braking.

It's much more entertaining than the one-wheel-wonder open differential that comes on the 335i.

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Originally Posted by jayely1

And the 335i does 0-60 in 4.8-5.2 ans 1/4 mile in 13.3-13.5....
Still rather have the 335i...If the new Cayman S was about 10k cheaper that would be my next car!

The publication shown is in Australia. They measure 0-60 very differently than how we do in the US.

US magazines don't start their stopwatch until 0.3 seconds AFTER the car is moving. This is 12" of rollout like you get in the dragstrip.

Also, 0-100 km/h is actually 62 mph.

Those two reasons above show why European test numbers are always 0.3-0.5 seconds slower than the major US magazines.

This S4 will clock mid 4 0-60 times and roughly 13 flat when the US magazines test it.

You need to compare apples-apples in terms of test times.

OK, enough trolling for one post. Is it really trolling when it's all true though?

Pricing and options will be announced soon. Feel free to bump this post then.

kjrulz · 08-05-2009, 10:01 AM

Looking at the S5 on Audi's website. It comes with everything and it's 51k!

Looking at 335i on BMW's website, it comes with nothing and to make it somewhat equal you're at 46k!

If I didn't get my BMW used, no way in hell I wouldn't have picked an S5!!!

S5 has more luxury, nicer exterior and similar performance!

bogeygolf · 08-05-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by A418t81

The new S4 will be priced from about $46k, and will be quite nicely loaded for about $50k. Apparently you haven't seen all the magazine tests...the S4 bests the 335 in acceleration, braking, dynamics, and yes, even the engine is said to be better in stock form. In the latest rag in an Aussie mag, the S4 lapped their test track .7 sec behind the E92 M3. Regardless, the new S4 is beating the 335 in every single magazine test.

Software modification alone takes the new S4 to around 430 crank hp. They are no joke.

Finally, BMW interiors are downright low-rent compared to Audi who sets the benchmark.

Yeah.. I dunno about "low-rent." I sat in the Audi S5 and found the myriad of buttons and shiny pieces to be a tad fake and flimsy. I found the simplicity of the 335's interior to exactly what "upscale" was meant to be. Good materials, quiet quality. Also, ergonomically, the front seats, while well-bolstered (in the S5) made the rear seats unuseable. That's not the case in the e92.

Granted-- I'll give the S5 the much sexier exterior appeal... no question. just my $.02

dmz · 08-05-2009, 10:50 AM

You are probably right. Usually car maker drop an engine line due to the fact it does not comply with certain up coming regulation and since it would cost them quite a bit of money to redesign a new V6 to meet the regulation they figure it's cheaper to just drop the N/A V6 option. It may even be related to try to bring down the MPG of their fleet to comply with the up coming US requirement.

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Originally Posted by GrandMaster_B

I dont' get it.... dropping the 3.2 from the A4 (and A3) and dropping the manual tranny from the A5 3.2. Could it have something to do with emissions performance on the engine and 2010 requirements?

dmz · 08-05-2009, 10:57 AM

Wrong!

The base price for a S5 is $51k and it does NOT come with everything.

A $46k 335i comes with $4k worth of options.

If you compare a comparably equiped 335i and S4 the S4 will be about $8k more than the 335i.

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Originally Posted by kjrulz

Looking at the S5 on Audi's website. It comes with everything and it's 51k!

Looking at 335i on BMW's website, it comes with nothing and to make it somewhat equal you're at 46k!

If I didn't get my BMW used, no way in hell I wouldn't have picked an S5!!!

S5 has more luxury, nicer exterior and similar performance!

kjrulz · 08-05-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dmz

Wrong!

The base price for a S5 is $51k and it does NOT come with everything.

A $46k 335i comes with $4k worth of options.

If you compare a comparably equiped 335i and S4 the S4 will be about $8k more than the 335i.

WRONG!

335's don't even come with real leather stock...embarrassment.

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