[Fundguy1]

looked at the Manzo on their site. it says e90/1 series non M. does 5 his mean it fits am e9x models or just the e90?

And what are the pros, cons, if any between the different brands? Thx.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

looked at the Manzo on their site. it says e90/1 series non M. does 5 his mean it fits am e9x models or just the e90?

And what are the pros, cons, if any between the different brands? Thx.

e90/91/92/93 all has the same control arms.

did you even bother reading the link I posted above???

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

e90/91/92/93 all has the same control arms.

did you even bother reading the link I posted above???

Thx and yes. I see the rubber vs heim joint but wanted a comparison or Megan and Manzo Vs M3 or the oem HD bushings.

[Cloud9blue]

Megan, Manzo, and M3 uses teflon coated solid bearing. Not rubber bushings like the stock ones.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Thx and yes. I see the rubber vs heim joint but wanted a comparison or Megan and Manzo Vs M3 or the oem HD bushings.

Manzo are basically the older, first generation Megan therefore is little cheaper.
Both are better than M3 and HD bushings and N group bushings, especially when you consider the cost.
Great value. Buy without hesitation.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by feuer

Manzo are basically the older, first generation Megan therefore is little cheaper.
Both are better than M3 and HD bushings and N group bushings, especially when you consider the cost.
Great value. Buy without hesitation.

Perfect thx

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Perfect thx

I would spray coat some rust inhibitor on the steel nuts to prevent it from rusting though.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BKC25K/...rust+treatment

I bought mine used, so it was a little rusty. But a light coating, it hasn't gotten any worse even after driving it for the entire winter here at Chicago.

[rod.bearings]

Anyone try rear toe arms from ebay?
Only $60
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ADJUSTABLE-RE...RVraSn&vxp=mtr

[houtan]

want to throw two other potential toe arms that are available.

one from bimmerworld which comes with aurora bearings. It seems like this is a great option being that some have replaced the RE bearings with Aurora bearings. http://store.bimmerworld.com/bimmerw...set-p1992.aspx

one from ground control which comes with a lifetime warranty. This seems like a great option because of the lifetime warranty. What I don't like is it doesn't have a hex anywhere on the arm to help with making adjustments. http://www.ground-control-store.com/...hp/II=908/CA=6

Does anyone have experience with either product?

[renizer]

DaFish cvc 22349a dcaron9999
can we get an update on longevity and experiences of whatever model toe arms you have been running for the past years maybe?

[Lshaw]

FWIW, i installed some Manzo rear toe arms about 5k ago and i have no complaints and no concerns as of yet.

Before i installed these, i was having traction issues as well as keeping my car straight under heavy acceleration. I would veer off to the left under heavy load. I have all m3 bits and KW V2s, as well as MPSS tires, so the rear toe arms were the last culprit and it solved my straight line issues.



100% recommended to replace, ill update when i finally get some aftermarket snails installed and see they hold up.

[renizer]

sounds good Lshaw thanks for the insight. these are the Manzos with hard rubber bushings, right? 5k is not a lot (to me anyways) but still appreciated. alignment set up the same as before just the arms?

[cvc 22349a]

Originally Posted by renizer

DaFish cvc 22349a dcaron9999
can we get an update on longevity and experiences of whatever model toe arms you have been running for the past years maybe?

Meyle sent me a set of their toe replacement arms years ago, still running them but would like to press Group N bushings into them, unfortunately 2 mechanics have tried and failed. I may just try those Manzo toe arms next time I need an alignment

[Angel67]

Hey guys.

We have manufactured rear toe arms for the e82 and e9x non-M. The design principle is a curved arm, but with dimensions better suited to the non-M suspension.

These are made of billet 6061-T6 aluminum and have been precision CNC machined to accept either balljoints or bushings (which can be either stock bushings or much stiffer Group N bushings, or even polyurethane bushings like those from Powerflex and other suppliers), or any combination of balljoints and bushings depending on individual preferences. They can be anodized in any colour. They can also be made either in the standard length (412 mm) or +3 mm for extra toe.

Because you can select balljoints or bushings, or any combination, you can tweak your effective spring rates in increments (measured in lb/in). So, for example, on effective spring rates:

- 2 balljoints: 0
- 1 balljoint and 1 regular bushing: 15
- 2 regular bushings: 30
- 1 balljoint and 1 Group N: 56
- 1 regular bushing and 1 Group N: 71
- 2 Group N: 112

Assuming the contribution of a full set of stock bushings is an equivalent of 109 lb/in, then that can be fully compensated with a set of MRP toe arms with 2 Group N bushings, and the other 4 arms can be only balljoints...

Just trying to gauge interest at this point so please reply if you might be interested in this product...

a

Stay tuned!

[renizer]

Originally Posted by Angel67

Hey guys.

We have manufactured rear toe arms for the e82 and e9x non-M. The design principle is a curved arm, but with dimensions better suited to the non-M suspension.

These are made of billet 6061-T6 aluminum and have been precision CNC machined to accept either balljoints or bushings (which can be either stock bushings or much stiffer Group N bushings, or even polyurethane bushings like those from Powerflex and other suppliers), or any combination of balljoints and bushings depending on individual preferences. They can be anodized in any colour. They can also be made either in the standard length (412 mm) or +3 mm for extra toe.

Because you can select balljoints or bushings, or any combination, you can tweak your effective spring rates in increments (measured in lb/in). So, for example, on effective spring rates:

- 2 balljoints: 0
- 1 balljoint and 1 regular bushing: 15
- 2 regular bushings: 30
- 1 balljoint and 1 Group N: 56
- 1 regular bushing and 1 Group N: 71
- 2 Group N: 112

Assuming the contribution of a full set of stock bushings is an equivalent of 109 lb/in, then that can be fully compensated with a set of MRP toe arms with 2 Group N bushings, and the other 4 arms can be only balljoints...

Just trying to gauge interest at this point so please reply if you might be interested in this product...

a

Stay tuned!

Hello there, I'm just revisiting this thread now that I get to the point where I actually need a replacement for my old stock toe arms. Can you comment a bit on the spring rate bit that you're talking about, considering different bushings on the ends of the arm? Is this the total spring rate of coil springs & arms? Why would you want to put it towards the same spring rate or "softness" of the stock suspension when you can have 0 spring rate (in essence, perfectly stiff which will never actually happen?) with ball joints?
Thanks for any insight you can share on this,
Andi

[Angel67]

Hi. The spring rates referred to above are in addition to what you may have in the metal coil springs (and any other bushings). This will affect suspension frequency. Rubber bushings also provide what you can call reverse spring rate when the chassis lifts from normal position because they wind up and want to return to normal position...