[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Yes it is good to have FU money

Just plain owned.

https://youtube.com/shorts/YlD0rRMV7ME?feature=share

Once the norm and admired is now risky.
Whining farts.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

When tesla cars are shit becomes the accepted narrative..quick shift to ..tesla stock is great..
I've seen this narrative across various forums.
Precisely why I own neither. Shitty ass cars and ponzi ass stocks.

What stock is shitty?

[Tejas1836]

Texas, starting September 1, will start charging EV $400 one time registration fee and additional $200/year registration fee.

[M3WC]

Ford switching priority to hybrid production from EV.


Ford Loses Over $32,000 Per EV During The Second Quarter, Shifts Production Goals

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/07/fo...duction-goals/

It’s now expecting a $4.5 billion loss as it just posted a $1.8 billion loss in the second quarter alone. That’s just over $32,000 in losses on every EV that it sold. The pricing wars with Tesla certainly didn’t help that figure.

The losses have Ford shifting goals toward hybrids and reducing the priority to build more EVs.

Its long-term goal of 2 million EVs per year by 2026 no longer has a hard and fast date according to CNBC.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

More Con Ed news
NY bracing for gas and electric bill shock amid green push
Last week, the energy company announced that the state had approved its plan to raise customer rates and acquire more than $11 billion by 2025 to fund initiatives contributing to New York’s clean energy goals.
"I can tell you that customers are going to see a 15%-20% increase over three years as a result of this investment plan," Con Ed’s media relations director said. "This investment plan is going to allow us to address the effects of climate change, invest in a clean energy transition, a transition that our customers demand and want to take part in."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/n...-burden-con-ed

Tell me again how the green grift is good for the poor and folks on fixed income?

This isn't restricted to the west coast. The 2 biggest electrical utilities in my area in the Pacific northwest (one of which I work for) are doing the thing, and for the same reason. They are being forced to make changes to their grid that wouldn't otherwise make economic sense.

Since they are regulated monopolies, they get to petition the PUC (public utilities commission) for rate increases, and those increases have and will continue to be granted.

Forcing utilities to morph into something that doesn't make economic sense will get paid for by the end users. Going green aint going to be cheap, and you will get to pay for it. First you will pay more in taxes to subsidize this shit, then your utility bills will go up. Kind of like double penetration.

Whether or not it was necessary or worth it, well I guess we'll find out.

And this is in addition to the push for full transition to EV's which will greatly increase demand. It's a very un-balanced approach to a supposed problem.

This is also coupled with the federal/state/local push to abolish natural gas appliances, and even prohibiting new natural gas service to new homes will just push even more load onto the grid. Load the grid can't serve. Imposing on a grid that already can't meet current demands or consistently get the job done is not the solution to the problem.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Don't know who the Alien is ...

We have one here in the Capital running the town.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/232455...ro-pipe-dream/

[gblansten]

Not sure if posted. This page was last updated in November of 2022 and get updated a couple of times a year.

https://www.autoinsuranceez.com/gas-...ric-car-fires/

[Car-Addicted]

Connecticut pushes to halt sale of new gas-powered cars by 2035
Proposed state regulations would require auto dealerships in Connecticut to begin progressively selling more zero- or low-emission vehicles, including passenger cars, SUVs and light trucks, in 2027 and through 2035, until the new mandate would begin.
Connecticut joins Rhode Island, Maryland, New Jersey and New Mexico in announcing plans to adopt the new standards. Massachusetts, New York and Vermont finalized adoption of the rules this year or in late 2022.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/connectic...ered-cars-2035

Archduke Ferdinand moment?

[gonzo]

Isn't Conn like broke and stuff? This should most certainly help that out.

The squirrel I saw pancaked on the road had more business sense.

I see plates from so many different states these days, when in Texas, that I've lost track.
Wait until they get their first July until Halloween broiler blast lol

[KRS_SN]

Snake oil...

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...tteries-range/


Jonathan Elfalan, vehicle testing director for the automotive website Edmunds.com, reached a similar conclusion to Pannone after an extensive examination of vehicles from Tesla and other major automakers, including Ford, General Motors, Hyundai and Porsche.

All five Tesla models tested by Edmunds failed to achieve their advertised range, the website reported in February 2021. All but one of 10 other models from other manufacturers exceeded their advertised range.

Tesla complained to Edmunds that the test failed to account for the safety buffer programmed into Tesla’s in-dash range meters. So Edmunds did further testing, this time running the vehicles, as Tesla requested, past the point where their range meters indicated the batteries had run out.

Only two of six Teslas tested matched their advertised range, Edmunds reported in March 2021. The tests found no fixed safety buffer.

Edmunds has continued to test electric vehicles, using its own standard method, to see if they meet their advertised range estimates. As of July, no Tesla vehicle had, Elfalan said.

“They've gotten really good at exploiting the rule book and maximizing certain points to work in their favor involving EPA tests,” Elfalan told Reuters. The practice can “misrepresent what their customers will experience with their vehicles.”

[MmmmmM2]

Ruh roh!

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Snake oil...

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...tteries-range/


Jonathan Elfalan, vehicle testing director for the automotive website Edmunds.com, reached a similar conclusion to Pannone after an extensive examination of vehicles from Tesla and other major automakers, including Ford, General Motors, Hyundai and Porsche.

All five Tesla models tested by Edmunds failed to achieve their advertised range, the website reported in February 2021. All but one of 10 other models from other manufacturers exceeded their advertised range.

Tesla complained to Edmunds that the test failed to account for the safety buffer programmed into Tesla’s in-dash range meters. So Edmunds did further testing, this time running the vehicles, as Tesla requested, past the point where their range meters indicated the batteries had run out.

Only two of six Teslas tested matched their advertised range, Edmunds reported in March 2021. The tests found no fixed safety buffer.

Edmunds has continued to test electric vehicles, using its own standard method, to see if they meet their advertised range estimates. As of July, no Tesla vehicle had, Elfalan said.

“They've gotten really good at exploiting the rule book and maximizing certain points to work in their favor involving EPA tests,” Elfalan told Reuters. The practice can “misrepresent what their customers will experience with their vehicles.”

I've never gotten close to the EPA data in any ICE car I have driven. I just learn my car and the range and just live life. I had already read about the Model S Plaid and had a good idea of real world range. And it is right where I expected it to be.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I've never gotten close to the EPA data in any ICE car I have driven. I just learn my car and the range and just live life. I had already read about the Model S Plaid and had a good idea of real world range. And it is right where I expected it to be.

With ICE you get told (at least in the UK) about worst possible range and best possible range and average range and that tends to be accurate. This doesn't seem to be the case with Tesla. Other EV also seem not a lot better but employing teams to bump people with genuine queries or who may have been misinformed seems unethical. There should be more conversations about what range you'll get at 80mph in the motorway that's when ice is at its best and ev is at its worst. I don't think many people know these.

[Car-Addicted]

Interesting article no matter which side of the EV debate you're on. Numbers are optimistic.

A key test for EV sales and the adoption curve is coming
Brian Downey, executive editor of Autotrader, a division of auto-data company Cox Automotive. EV inventories were 92,000 as of June 26, up 350% from mid-2022, as models from automakers newer to the EV market like Kia, Porsche, Jaguar and Hyundai saw sales fall short of expectations and sales of Ford’s Mustang Mach E dropped.
There is a core EV issue in the numbers: GM sold about 36,000 electric vehicles in the first half of 2023, according to Cox Automotive. With production set to zoom higher, the new models had better sell.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/30/a-ke...is-coming.html

I've always considered Government Motors CEO Mary Barra a diversity hire but I doubt she can survive what is coming.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

With ICE you get told (at least in the UK) about worst possible range and best possible range and average range and that tends to be accurate.

If you think we are hard on EV's here, check into the I forum where eyes are being opened but the religion is still strong. Range, temperature, depreciation....

[M3WC]

GM released Blazer EV pricing today. Dead on arrival.

2024:
1LT - cancelled
2LT - $56,715
RS - $60,215

Initial pricing announced during debut last Summer:
1LT - $44,995
2LT - $47,595
RS - $51,995

Safe to say the $30k Equinox EV is not happening.

[Car-Addicted]

How many companies ask their customers if they want a discount?

Should GM Reduce 2024 Chevy Blazer EV Pricing?
Competition in the various all-electric vehicle segments continues to heat up, including in the EV crossover segment where the 2024 Chevy Blazer EV plays. In fact, two rivals to the 2024 Chevy Blazer EV, the Mustang Mach-E and Tesla Model Y, just got a price drop. Which begs the question – should the 2024 Chevy Blazer EV follow suit?
So then, we want to know – should GM reduce 2024 Chevy Blazer EV pricing? Tell us by voting in the poll below
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/02...er-ev-pricing/

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess yes to lower price and no to profitability.
CEO Mary Barra "a diversity hire" needs to start working on her resume.

[M5Rick]

Imagine running low on EV charge and the nearest EV charging site has no power. Will a breakdown firm come to you?

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

If you think we are hard on EV's here, check into the I forum where eyes are being opened but the religion is still strong. Range, temperature, depreciation....

I'm in one of the I forums..70% of the talk is about software and tech that goes over my head.
The rest 30% is about people losing their marbles and moaning that their car has idrive 8 and bmw cheated them as idrive 8.5 is out and now their car is useless (iPhone must get the newest behaviour).

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I'm in one of the I forums..70% of the talk is about software and tech that goes over my head.
The rest 30% is about people losing their marbles and moaning that their car has idrive 8 and bmw cheated them as idrive 8.5 is out and now their car is useless (iPhone must get the newest behaviour).

I think that mentality was talked about early in this thread. It seems that the early adopters who embraced EV's are the folks that love the tech and I suspect will want the newest version when it comes out. I think we are seeing that the EV enthusiasts are out there and the rest of us aren't buying them. Should be interesting when trade in time comes. If the new ones aren't moving what will dealers offer for a trade against an over priced new EV. I'm not predicting a collapse of the EV market but I don't think it's playing out the way government wants or the automakers can stomach.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I think that mentality was talked about early in this thread. It seems that the early adopters who embraced EV's are the folks that love the tech and I suspect will want the newest version when it comes out. I think we are seeing that the EV enthusiasts are out there and the rest of us aren't buying them. Should be interesting when trade in time comes. If the new ones aren't moving what will dealers offer for a trade against an over priced new EV. I'm not predicting a collapse of the EV market but I don't think it's playing out the way government wants or the automakers can stomach.

EV'S were selling at msrp or over a year ago. We know tesla have slashed prices. The other manufacturers also have. Also there is now a federal credit of 9k.
Often the new car price a year ago is 20%less now including the federal credit this along with a usual 20% fall in price of ownership after a year means people who bought vehicles a year ago are facing a wipeout of 40% in the first year.
Some who bought theirs at 120k are now being offered trade in of 80k. The supply constraints have lifted too which means the buyers have little wait times for new ev and plentiful supply of used ev.It's sad how much money is being lost by these folk if they have to change the car.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I don't think it's playing out the way government wants or the automakers can stomach.

When does any government program ever work out?
The bigger the program the worse the outcome and this Green Grift is the mother of all swindles.