E90 high seating position

tlow98 · 03-26-2018, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddien123

Doesn't seem worth it unfortunately. But i wouldn't be against someone willing to try it haha

Agreed. If a crashed N52/8 spd comes into the shop I'll be tearing into it :-)

hassmaschine · 03-27-2018, 08:29 AM

It runs on MSV90 though, which isn't currently tuneable, and I doubt anyone is spending resources to tune a model that was produced for like 9 months.

asiflicious · 03-28-2018, 02:17 AM

It is what it is. Seating position of the E8x 1 and E9x 3 series have always been a bit too high even at their lowest settings. It's like you're sitting on the car and not down in it. Not much you can really do about it. I believe that the manual seats can be set a bit lower but it's not a world of difference. And I definitely agree with your impressions of the F30. I had a 230i xdrive as a loaner vehicle while my 135i was getting serviced and I really did not enjoy that car. Steering was shockingly awful and the car just didn't feel special in any sort of way. The turbo 4 cylinder and the ZF 8 speed were amazing though. I was really really impressed

Eddien123 · 03-28-2018, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by asiflicious

It is what it is. Seating position of the E8x 1 and E9x 3 series have always been a bit too high even at their lowest settings. It's like you're sitting on the car and not down in it. Not much you can really do about it. I believe that the manual seats can be set a bit lower but it's not a world of difference. And I definitely agree with your impressions of the F30. I had a 230i xdrive as a loaner vehicle while my 135i was getting serviced and I really did not enjoy that car. Steering was shockingly awful and the car just didn't feel special in any sort of way. The turbo 4 cylinder and the ZF 8 speed were amazing though. I was really really impressed

It was an impressive combo. I don't think I'd like the live with the turbo 4 though. Still can't get past the whole 4 cylinder in a bmw thing anyway. It lagged a bit and I can't be convinced an NA 6 wouldn't have been better for it. I know it's in the interest of fuel economy but still

asiflicious · 03-28-2018, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddien123

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Originally Posted by asiflicious

It is what it is. Seating position of the E8x 1 and E9x 3 series have always been a bit too high even at their lowest settings. It's like you're sitting on the car and not down in it. Not much you can really do about it. I believe that the manual seats can be set a bit lower but it's not a world of difference. And I definitely agree with your impressions of the F30. I had a 230i xdrive as a loaner vehicle while my 135i was getting serviced and I really did not enjoy that car. Steering was shockingly awful and the car just didn't feel special in any sort of way. The turbo 4 cylinder and the ZF 8 speed were amazing though. I was really really impressed

It was an impressive combo. I don't think I'd like the live with the turbo 4 though. Still can't get past the whole 4 cylinder in a bmw thing anyway. It lagged a bit and I can't be convinced an NA 6 wouldn't have been better for it. I know it's in the interest of fuel economy but still

I much preferred the turbo 4 over the N51/N52.m

hassmaschine · 03-28-2018, 10:38 AM

really? it sounds like ass and revs like a tractor. I just can't love it. plus.. automatic.

Eddien123 · 03-28-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by asiflicious

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Originally Posted by Eddien123

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Originally Posted by asiflicious

It is what it is. Seating position of the E8x 1 and E9x 3 series have always been a bit too high even at their lowest settings. It's like you're sitting on the car and not down in it. Not much you can really do about it. I believe that the manual seats can be set a bit lower but it's not a world of difference. And I definitely agree with your impressions of the F30. I had a 230i xdrive as a loaner vehicle while my 135i was getting serviced and I really did not enjoy that car. Steering was shockingly awful and the car just didn't feel special in any sort of way. The turbo 4 cylinder and the ZF 8 speed were amazing though. I was really really impressed

It was an impressive combo. I don't think I'd like the live with the turbo 4 though. Still can't get past the whole 4 cylinder in a bmw thing anyway. It lagged a bit and I can't be convinced an NA 6 wouldn't have been better for it. I know it's in the interest of fuel economy but still

I much preferred the turbo 4 over the N51/N52.m

It sounded bad and it really didn't seem to be refined at all. It wasn't smooth and in City driving wasn't that good on fuel as I would've expected it to be with a better transmission and smaller displacement.

asiflicious · 03-28-2018, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddien123

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Originally Posted by asiflicious

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Originally Posted by Eddien123

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Originally Posted by asiflicious

It is what it is. Seating position of the E8x 1 and E9x 3 series have always been a bit too high even at their lowest settings. It's like you're sitting on the car and not down in it. Not much you can really do about it. I believe that the manual seats can be set a bit lower but it's not a world of difference. And I definitely agree with your impressions of the F30. I had a 230i xdrive as a loaner vehicle while my 135i was getting serviced and I really did not enjoy that car. Steering was shockingly awful and the car just didn't feel special in any sort of way. The turbo 4 cylinder and the ZF 8 speed were amazing though. I was really really impressed

It was an impressive combo. I don't think I'd like the live with the turbo 4 though. Still can't get past the whole 4 cylinder in a bmw thing anyway. It lagged a bit and I can't be convinced an NA 6 wouldn't have been better for it. I know it's in the interest of fuel economy but still

I much preferred the turbo 4 over the N51/N52.m

It sounded bad and it really didn't seem to be refined at all. It wasn't smooth and in City driving wasn't that good on fuel as I would've expected it to be with a better transmission and smaller displacement.

Unfortunately it seems like no BMW sounds good these days so I don't think it's fair to knock the turbo 4 for its sound when the S55 doesn't sound much better. I actually found the car very smooth around town. Then again, it's been a couple years since I've driven an NA BMW

scanspeak · 03-28-2018, 08:17 PM

It all depends on your height.
I'm 5'10" and find with the seat all the way down in my E92 it's too low for good visibility ahead.

I have it roughly half way up which gives a good view over the hood but still feels sporty.

GMe90 · 03-28-2018, 08:45 PM

I'm 6'3 and find the seating position noticeably better in the f30. Additionally, the steering wheel In the f30 telescopes further than the steering wheel in the e90, which further improves the seating position.

hassmaschine · 03-28-2018, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by asiflicious

Unfortunately it seems like no BMW sounds good these days so I don't think it's fair to knock the turbo 4 for its sound when the S55 doesn't sound much better. I actually found the car very smooth around town. Then again, it's been a couple years since I've driven an NA BMW

There's nothing I really like about most modern BMWs... but if I'm stuck with a turbo, it ain't going to be the rattly little 4cyl.

Jesda · 03-28-2018, 10:22 PM

Took me months to adapt to the E9x seating position. My E46 was low and snug while I could never get my E93 adequately low.

I realize that as these cars evolve and SUVs continue to rise in popularity, BMW's customer base gets older and prefers a higher seating position, but it's kind of lame for the rest of us.

xForceGhost · 03-29-2018, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by scanspeak

It all depends on your height.
I'm 5'10" and find with the seat all the way down in my E92 it's too low for good visibility ahead.

That's exactly how I feel, I'm 5'8 and my E90 fits me perfectly to my taste. With the seating position all the way down it's way too low for good visibility but with some adjustment on all points I've found the sweet spot. It's snug and low enough to give me that awesome cockpit feeling while letting me remain completely engaged with the road.

My buddy who's 6'5 looks completely out of place in the drivers seat of my car with the seat position as low as it goes, but yet his F30 fits him nicely. I think it all comes down to our height, luckily for me the E9X seems like it was perfectly tailored to fit a guy my size.

AWSB328iM · 03-29-2018, 10:26 AM

5'10" here and I can get the seat in my E92 in the perfect position. I could also get my E36 seat almost touching the carpet. People would get in and say damn this seat is low.

I actually get sick sometimes riding in SUVs because I'm so used to being low to the ground.

atmosphericM · 03-29-2018, 11:22 AM

I'll chime in.. I find the position in my E92 to be good but not great. Lower than most cars for sure but not quite sports car status. My Boxster definitely sits lower, plus the car is probably a bit lower, too.

rothwem · 03-29-2018, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tlow98

You can get the ZF 8 speed / N52 combo in the 2011 x3 and 528i.

I drove a 2012 X3, and I was pretty disappointed by the 8-speed/N52 combo. Compared to the N20, the N52 is a high-rpm screamer, and that 8-speed just wanted to keep upshifting, so it felt slooow. Maybe in a 3300 pound E90 chassis it wouldn't be so bad though. I think the F25 is ~4200 lbs.

I liked the manual shifting though, it was fast as hell and way quicker than an automatic E90 and almost DCT-like when compared to the 2005 X3's 5l40e I'm driving right now.

vexx786 · 12-12-2018, 10:32 PM

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Yeah when the F30 came out I read some where that it was bigger than the BMW E34 5 Series and the same size as the BMW E39 5 Series! And the F10 5 series was the same size as the BMW E38 7 series

How can the f30 be bigger than the e39 when the e39 is 188in compared to 182in for the F30. Its only 1inch wider than the e39. Pretty sure that makes it smaller than the e39 in overall volume.

krhodes1 · 12-13-2018, 03:34 PM

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How can the f30 be bigger than the e39 when the e39 is 188in compared to 182in for the F30. Its only 1inch wider than the e39. Pretty sure that makes it smaller than the e39 in overall volume.

Don't forget the e39 still had bumpers that stuck out from the car at either end. The current cars really don't. And the F30 is tall and broad shouldered compared to the older cars. There is really very little in it size-wise between the two.

Personally, if I had to actually haul people around I wouldn't want anything smaller. My e91 is CRAMPED in the back, the F31 is much more useful.

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asiflicious Captain 690 Rep 968 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Winchester, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 BMW M2 [10.00]	It is what it is. Seating position of the E8x 1 and E9x 3 series have always been a bit too high even at their lowest settings. It's like you're sitting on the car and not down in it. Not much you can really do about it. I believe that the manual seats can be set a bit lower but it's not a world of difference. And I definitely agree with your impressions of the F30. I had a 230i xdrive as a loaner vehicle while my 135i was getting serviced and I really did not enjoy that car. Steering was shockingly awful and the car just didn't feel special in any sort of way. The turbo 4 cylinder and the ZF 8 speed were amazing though. I was really really impressed
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	really? it sounds like ass and revs like a tractor. I just can't love it. plus.. automatic.
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scanspeak Lieutenant 354 Rep 511 Posts Drives: BMW E92 325i 12/2007 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0)	It all depends on your height. I'm 5'10" and find with the seat all the way down in my E92 it's too low for good visibility ahead. I have it roughly half way up which gives a good view over the hood but still feels sporty.
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Jesda First Lieutenant 144 Rep 350 Posts Drives: 2008 E93 N52 78k Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Detroit iTrader: (0)	Took me months to adapt to the E9x seating position. My E46 was low and snug while I could never get my E93 adequately low. I realize that as these cars evolve and SUVs continue to rise in popularity, BMW's customer base gets older and prefers a higher seating position, but it's kind of lame for the rest of us. __________________ 08 E93 N52 170k
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AWSB328iM Captain 397 Rep 647 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 328i M-Sport 6MT Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Memphis, TN iTrader: (0)	5'10" here and I can get the seat in my E92 in the perfect position. I could also get my E36 seat almost touching the carpet. People would get in and say damn this seat is low. I actually get sick sometimes riding in SUVs because I'm so used to being low to the ground.
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atmosphericM Basic Bimmer 518 Rep 935 Posts Drives: E92 328i 6MT ///M Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: B'ham iTrader: (1) Garage List 2013 BMW 328i Coupé ... [10.00]	I'll chime in.. I find the position in my E92 to be good but not great. Lower than most cars for sure but not quite sports car status. My Boxster definitely sits lower, plus the car is probably a bit lower, too. __________________ Black Sapphire 328i ///M Sport Coupé Save the Manuals!
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