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should i do a muffler delete?
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05-09-2011, 02:34 PM | #23 | |
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Yes you actually do. A turbo works by restricting the exhaust (backpressure) so that the exhaust gasses turn the turbine and exit the turbo. Without backpressure you would have no boost. Furthermore, think of it in terms of a guard at a gate. The Exhaust wants to get past the guard but only after the exhaust pushes breifly on each of the turbine blades. Once the exhaust pushes on the blades it's free to exit via the tail pipe. So in essence you want as free flowing an exhaust as possible, but going with straight pipes or a muffler delete is not helping. There is a dyno around here that shows HP loss with a muffler delete.
It is illegal in CA to have no mufflers. I am sure it is elsewhere too. State inspection will check to see if you have a muffler because it will be extremely loud. It is the easiest way to check: just look under the rear end. I had a muffler delete for a while and it was alright. Just sounded unprecise and too muffled. Just my opinion but I would just save money and get an axle back exhaust and worry about midpipes later.
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05-09-2011, 05:11 PM | #26 | |
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05-09-2011, 05:15 PM | #27 |
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thanks guys, i am not confused about the backpressure i know the less backpressure on a turbo car the better. i just didnt know if i should do the muff delete or not. i want a loud start up and loud idle and loud when giving it gas but then not as loud when cruising on the highway. i dont think deleting the 2nd cats or whatever is loud enough in terms of startup and idle for me based on youtube videos. so i just dont know how bad the muffler delete will be on the highway. if u have music on can u hear the drone over it or no?
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05-09-2011, 05:45 PM | #28 | |
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Sure you could consider the dP from the turbine wheel "backpressure" but everyone here is talking about "backpressure" after leaving the turbos. Backpressure is never good. Exhaust momentum is good (see above post on velocity). ETA: I think that you are confusing the topics of 1) recovering energy from exhaust gasses with 2)friction losses in the exhaust system
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05-09-2011, 05:50 PM | #29 |
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And so everyone is clear, friction losses due to the exhaust system is NEVER a good thing, regardless of application (NA vs. FI).
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05-09-2011, 06:24 PM | #30 |
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Hm, fair enough. I always thought a little was needed but thank you for the clarification. I do have one of the most free flowing exhaust systems out there so I never doubted a less restrictive was the best. Thanks for the knowledge.
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05-09-2011, 06:26 PM | #31 |
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Yep, as long as you dont have huge exhaust pipes you're good.
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05-09-2011, 07:12 PM | #32 | |
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Turbo cars love free flowing exhaust. |
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05-09-2011, 07:47 PM | #33 |
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i have a question then, so the 335i is quite on startup and idle and then when u remove the muffler is becomes loud, but u get a drone at highway speed. but what about a car like a Lamborghini or something that i believe has a muffler but is very loud on startup and idle? do they have the drone also?
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05-10-2011, 12:50 AM | #34 | |
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i have a question then, so the 335i is quite on startup and idle and then when u remove the muffler is becomes loud, but u get a drone at highway speed. but what about a car like a Lamborghini or something that i believe has a muffler but is very loud on startup and idle? do they have the drone also?
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I did my muffler delete back in January.
It sounds really good a lot of the time, but the drone can get annoying when you have passengers in the car. I don't mind it when I'm driving by myself, but sometimes after a while the drone will get on your nerves after long driving. I love it because it loud when you want it to be loud. The start-up and cold-starts sound really good, also idle is pretty loud and you can hear it from a descent distance away. It sounds really good under heavy throttle and when you're in tunnels, near walls, and next to cars. I love it, but sometimes it annoys me. I'm doing catless downpipes soon so after I install them I might have to put them back on depending on how loud the car is with muffler delete + catless downpipes. Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Ferrari also does something similar to this.
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05-12-2011, 02:04 PM | #41 |
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ohhhhh ok i get what he meant now thanks. i thought he was saying that if i remove the muffler it removes the flap so i should be aware of that also. i didnt understand what he meant. so all exotic cars that are loud have those types of flaps? like a lambo? or a Dodge Viper or one of those types of cars that are meant to get everyones attention.
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i would like to hear cl dp and secondary cats deleted with muffler delete on an e90
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05-12-2011, 11:45 PM | #44 |
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Regarding your question about what manual or auto has to do with a muffler delete. If your auto, your always going to be at very low RPM resulting in a drastically different sound while city driving ( in a verrry bad way) and also massive freeway drone. It will probably sound terrible with auto.
And a lot of people with exotic cars (Ferrari's etc) do a similar golf tee mod as most of the members on here to keep from buying ungodly costing exhaust systems, and some even straight pipes, but exotic v8 and v10 drone sounds a lot different than turbo I6 drone and they generally don't have to deal with these cars on a daily basis. |
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