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      09-20-2008, 06:09 AM   #1629
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could be that US v31 has differnet emissions to europe and DME part won't be ready for the US until V31 - pure conjecture. edit - I meant v32
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      09-20-2008, 07:38 AM   #1630
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could be that US v31 has differnet emissions to europe and DME part won't be ready for the US until V31 - pure conjecture.
COuld be...

I'm going to call the dealership on Monday and get some more info. The foreman was not available when I picked up my car late on Friday.
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      09-20-2008, 09:17 AM   #1631
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I can tell ya V31 is not here yet! Im a SA and a BMW owner 335XI, so When V31 comes out Ill have it installed for sure...

What the changes are I dont know yet but Ill keep close contact with my Techs (as I do every day) and find out for sure!
Thanks a lot booyah.

Guys, this member could be a big help. He's on both sides of the fence, if you will. Also, in friggin Alaska, where by the time they confirm anything there, they should have it EVERYWHERE,

So, booyah, not trying to be an ass, but, being an SA...are you flat out saying you agree that 29.2+ sucks and makes the car slow and laggy unless you wring it out above 3500?
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+1 cobu. The more factual info we share, the more empowered we are. I've thought about recording my phone calls with bmwna, but that might scare the truth into hiding.
shaddai, in california you need both parties' consent. not only would it be inadmissible in court if you did it, it is actually illegal.
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I hate to say this but there are only a few people who I even trust on this fucking forum...too many noobs with changing stories and stupid questions. There are a few who have been here since the get-go and I'm sure there are people who have come lately that truly have the lag, but, I think I am going to start PM'ing the only ones I trust from now on...too many kiddies and who the fuck knows who the BMW moles are...
I am sure you were a noob once.
Just a stupid noob here but I would bet you will not see a lag fix until you see a wastegate rattle solution. I will bet anyone here $100 31.xxx does not fix the lag. RBBMWE46M3, great chance to take advantage of a noob here
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      09-20-2008, 12:23 PM   #1634
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Thanks a lot booyah.

Guys, this member could be a big help. He's on both sides of the fence, if you will. Also, in friggin Alaska, where by the time they confirm anything there, they should have it EVERYWHERE,

So, booyah, not trying to be an ass, but, being an SA...are you flat out saying you agree that 29.2+ sucks and makes the car slow and laggy unless you wring it out above 3500?
Please understand that BMW employees are, of course, a bit restricted in what they can state in open forums. Nothing special about this, it's pretty much the same across the business world. When v.31 becomes available and what it includes are more likely to emerge out of our NJ members first anyway. But yeah, thanks to booyah for any helpful info!
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Yeah, I know. But, thanks for clarifying that for us.

The invoice also says car was updated to 31. SA and foreman said 31 does not include a DME update. I'm no expert...but the way I see it there are 2 possibilities:

1) DME is just one of the modules that can be updated with progman. 31 is a version that does NOT include a DME update (I think this is the case, see mistermojo's post above)...or...

2) SA's notes on my invoice about my car being updated to 31 are b/s and my car was NOT updated to 31, but rather to 30.2 or whatever
I see a third scenario.
In Europe V31 includes DME update (It clearly says DME reprogramed on my workorder/final report) but It is not included in the U.S "version" on V31.
However I very much doubt that you got V31 as it is not a the term used in workorders, you workorder should have said: E89X-08-09-515. Whoever wrote your workorder did It asuming the latest s/w availible to him was 31. Bet a million buck It was never double checked to make sure. You got 30.+
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the fact that there is anything other than "S/W update installed" written on your invoice means that your SA is either an idiot or he/she just wanted to make you go away believing that your car was updated w/v31, therefore, taking you for an idiot.

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      09-20-2008, 01:54 PM   #1637
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Please understand that BMW employees are, of course, a bit restricted in what they can state in open forums. Nothing special about this, it's pretty much the same across the business world. When v.31 becomes available and what it includes are more likely to emerge out of our NJ members first anyway. But yeah, thanks to booyah for any helpful info!
How would BMW ever find out if an employee was on here posting. He or she could be as invisible as they wanted.
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looks like european 335i cars dont have such problem
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I think Bottom line is. USA DOESNT HAVE v31.

So we all need to wait in USA until someone confirms its HERE in USA.

If the v31 fixes the lag in Europe im sure it will in USA.
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I think Bottom line is. USA DOESNT HAVE v31.

So we all need to wait in USA until someone confirms its HERE in USA.

If the v31 fixes the lag in Europe im sure it will in USA.
i live in Europe, how should i know which program i have in my 335i?
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i live in Europe, how should i know which program i have in my 335i?
Call your dealer and ask. They might be able to tell you.
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I see a third scenario.
In Europe V31 includes DME update (It clearly says DME reprogramed on my workorder/final report) but It is not included in the U.S "version" on V31.
However I very much doubt that you got V31 as it is not a the term used in workorders, you workorder should have said: E89X-08-09-515. Whoever wrote your workorder did It asuming the latest s/w availible to him was 31. Bet a million buck It was never double checked to make sure. You got 30.+
Yeah, I think you may be right. I think my SA neglected to check the version. But, that doesnt explain why my invoice doesnt show the update number. Or, they didnt update me at all, or they updated me to 30.2. I could tell my car still sucked as soon as I started it from the exhaust sound. Those bastards. I'll call him on Monday and find out WTF.

Anyway, sorry for any false alarm guys.
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      09-20-2008, 06:57 PM   #1643
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shaddai, in california you need both parties' consent. not only would it be inadmissible in court if you did it, it is actually illegal.
Two parties consent is defined at:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/recordcalls.html

I've phoned up several places that have the beep tone. Gets surprisingly easy to ignore the beep after a while.
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BMW updated their website. You can now explore the 2009 sedan:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...rformance/335i

They changed the words they use while talking about turbo lag. See attachments for screenshots as they use Flash now...

The link to the old document still works, but it looks like they're trying to change their story.
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somebody better make sure to save a legit copy of their original testimony....i dont want to be stuck with lag indefinitely.
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BMW updated their website. You can now explore the 2009 sedan:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...rformance/335i

They changed the words they use while talking about turbo lag. See attachments for screenshots as they use Flash now...

The link to the old document still works, but it looks like they're trying to change their story.
Wow...sonsofabeeches. Sneaky ones those bavarians. Good thing we aren't the morons they take us for and we've already saved and documented their claims of the car at the time we wrote those fifty thousand dollar checks.
I just need enough compensation from this suit to make up the difference on my 07 335 to an 09 c63, plus the 551 hp $2200 rentech stage 1 ecu. No turbos there for MB to bait and switch people with!
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Wow...sonsofabeeches. Sneaky ones those bavarians. Good thing we aren't the morons they take us for and we've already saved and documented their claims of the car at the time we wrote those fifty thousand dollar checks.
I just need enough compensation from this suit to make up the difference on my 07 335 to an 09 c63, plus the 551 hp $2200 rentech stage 1 ecu. No turbos there for MB to bait and switch people with!
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WOW, thats wild. They actually changed the way they are presenting it. I do beleive this could be interpeted as a passive acknowledgement that they realize there is lag.
I still have the brochure for my 2007 complete with dyno chart that BMW used and the elimnated lag statement.
The BMW site still shows the eliminated lag statement for the 335i Coupe.
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WOW, thats wild. They actually changed the way they are presenting it. I do beleive this could be interpeted as a passive acknowledgement that they realize there is lag.
I still have the brochure for my 2007 complete with dyno chart that BMW used and the elimnated lag statement.
The BMW site still shows the eliminated lag statement for the 335i Coupe.
Sure looks like passive acknowledgement. However, I found the old document in the same place it was at before, even in the 09 sedan. The physical brochure I have uses different words: "Turbo lag is a thing of the past". Slightly less definitive than their bold claims on the website that has been quoted way too much in this thread, but still a far cry from what we have been delivered.
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I see a third scenario.
In Europe V31 includes DME update (It clearly says DME reprogramed on my workorder/final report) but It is not included in the U.S "version" on V31.
However I very much doubt that you got V31 as it is not a the term used in workorders, you workorder should have said: E89X-08-09-515. Whoever wrote your workorder did It asuming the latest s/w availible to him was 31. Bet a million buck It was never double checked to make sure. You got 30.+
i agree with this (pure speculation). when you ask your dealer, the question shouldn't be did i get "v31" the question should be, did I get E89X-08-09-515 - this is the engine software #. v31 is just a group of software for various modules in the car.
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