[swhoyle]

I have the 320d ED (163bhp) 2010 (60 Plate)

Normal LCi's would have the 177 bhp engine but being the ED its got a little less grunt.

Wondering if anyone is aware if this engine / car can be re map'd

Thanks

Steve

[AdrianSi]

Originally Posted by swhoyle

I have the 320d ED (163bhp) 2010 (60 Plate)

Normal LCi's would have the 177 bhp engine but being the ED its got a little less grunt.

Wondering if anyone is aware if this engine / car can be re map'd

Thanks

Steve

Do you not think that remapping an ED is kind of defeating the object of that model? Surely you would just buy an SE or M-Sport if you wanted the power advantage over the specificity designed eco tune car?

[BanziBarn]

Cars aren't normally less economical once mapped are they? I know they would use more fuel if you rag it, but under normal driving they should be about the same?

[shrink]

the ED is likely exactly the same engine as the normal LCI, but with a restrictive map placed on it, designed to optimise torque at low RPM.

A remap will likely bring this in line with every other remapped 320D

[IanS100]

I though there were problems in remapping the LCI

[xenon]

the 177bhp can be remapped, the very latest 184bhp cannot.

[BanziBarn]

Originally Posted by xenon

the 177bhp can be remapped, the very latest 184bhp cannot.

You can still re-map them but it's a more involved job, and not via ODB?

[xenon]

Yes, the standard map cannot be reprogrammed - it's a unit swap.

[IanS100]

Originally Posted by xenon

Yes, the standard map cannot be reprogrammed - it's a unit swap.

mucho moolah then! I think I'll stick with the stock 184bhp

[swhoyle]

Originally Posted by AdrianSi

Do you not think that remapping an ED is kind of defeating the object of that model? Surely you would just buy an SE or M-Sport if you wanted the power advantage over the specificity designed eco tune car?

Im sorry, but you appear to have stereo typed everyone who buys the ED as someone who bought it on the basis of its mpg capabilities.

Im not a business user, I don't do business miles, it was the right colour car with good spec at a good price with the bonus of £20 per year road tax and 3 years of free servicing .... like I care if I drop rom 55 to 50 mpg . There is so little difference in the drive and power delivery that its almost irrelevant that its the ED model.

Instead of offering advice, you chipped in to patronise my motives ... very helpful .. thanks for your input !

[AdrianSi]

Originally Posted by swhoyle

Im sorry, but you appear to have stereo typed everyone who buys the ED as someone who bought it on the basis of its mpg capabilities.

Im not a business user, I don't do business miles, it was the right colour car with good spec at a good price with the bonus of £20 per year road tax and 3 years of free servicing .... like I care if I drop rom 55 to 50 mpg . There is so little difference in the drive and power delivery that its almost irrelevant that its the ED model.

Instead of offering advice, you chipped in to patronise my motives ... very helpful .. thanks for your input !

I was just stating that the ED might not be the best place to start with in terms of remapping. The ED is a 'special' model and there can quite often be subtle mechanical differences in order to achieve the fuel economy advantages. I dont know if this applies to the ED but for instance there are differences between the 318d and 320d engines other than a simple mapping. Modifying a car with key economy features to become less economical, to me is defeating the object of buying that model.

But yes stereotypically buyers of the ED model do purchase upon the merit of the MPG benefits as that is the key selling feature of the car. Generally, most people are deterred from the model due to its small wheels and poverty spec appearance.

I wasnt intentionally being patronising.

[swhoyle]

Originally Posted by AdrianSi

I was just stating that the ED might not be the best place to start with in terms of remapping. The ED is a 'special' model and there can quite often be subtle mechanical differences in order to achieve the fuel economy advantages. I dont know if this applies to the ED but for instance there are differences between the 318d and 320d engines other than a simple mapping. Modifying a car with key economy features to become less economical, to me is defeating the object of buying that model.

But yes stereotypically buyers of the ED model do purchase upon the merit of the MPG benefits as that is the key selling feature of the car. Generally, most people are deterred from the model due to its small wheels and poverty spec appearance.

I wasnt intentionally being patronising.

You're Just too funny!

How does anything in either of your posts offer anything close to help or advice?

Have you seen the thread about 330 owners who think this forum is only for them... wonder what type of member thats aimed at ?

[BigBanana]

Originally Posted by AdrianSi

Do you not think that remapping an ED is kind of defeating the object of that model? Surely you would just buy an SE or M-Sport if you wanted the power advantage over the specificity designed eco tune car?

Ahaah. Of course.
Why would anyone buy a 330d LCI and get it remapped when they could have bought a 335d ?


(OP. Try Will at Ptorque. He's pretty good with LCI jobbies....)

[swhoyle]

Originally Posted by BigBanana

Ahaah. Of course.
Why would anyone buy a 330d LCI and get it remapped when they could have bought a 335d ?


(OP. Try Will at Ptorque. He's pretty good with LCI jobbies....)

Thanks BigBanana

[jonl1983]

Originally Posted by swhoyle

I have the 320d ED (163bhp) 2010 (60 Plate)

Normal LCi's would have the 177 bhp engine but being the ED its got a little less grunt.

Wondering if anyone is aware if this engine / car can be re map'd

Thanks

Steve

Simon at emaps has a very good reputation. He should be able to tell you what you can get.

Shouldn't see any negative impact on economy tbh. Just better power delivery and smoother driving through rev range

[CarAbuser]

I think even after a remap the ED will achieve better economy. The low rolling resistance wheel setup and lower ride height are designed to decrease drag which in turn decreases fuel consumption.

You should still be able to get 220bhp out of the engine like any other 320d.

And the 330d isn't a great place to start for mapping either. A more clued-up buyer would opt for a 325d and still reach the same 280bhp~ figure after a remap. Buying a 330d with the intent of remapping is essentially a waste of money.

[andy9188]

Originally Posted by CarAbuser

I think even after a remap the ED will achieve better economy. The low rolling resistance wheel setup and lower ride height are designed to decrease drag which in turn decreases fuel consumption.

You should still be able to get 220bhp out of the engine like any other 320d.

And the 330d isn't a great place to start for mapping either. A more clued-up buyer would opt for a 325d and still reach the same 280bhp~ figure after a remap. Buying a 330d with the intent of remapping is essentially a waste of money.

And it depends to which variation of the 325d that you refer to. Pre 2010 the injectors are different on the 325 so you cannot tune it as much. 2010 onwards for e90 and 2011 for e92 the engine is identical, gearbox and all its purely down to mapping. So if its before these dates a 330 is a good idea as it can achieve just over 300 safely from a dms map. To comment on a post you should also have the knowledge to back it up

[CarAbuser]

Originally Posted by andy9188

And it depends to which variation of the 325d that you refer to. Pre 2010 the injectors are different on the 325 so you cannot tune it as much. 2010 onwards for e90 and 2011 for e92 the engine is identical, gearbox and all its purely down to mapping. So if its before these dates a 330 is a good idea as it can achieve just over 300 safely from a dms map. To comment on a post you should also have the knowledge to back it up

I apologise if I missed something but could you point out the part where I'm wrong?

[AdrianSi]

Originally Posted by swhoyle

You're Just too funny!

How does anything in either of your posts offer anything close to help or advice?

Have you seen the thread about 330 owners who think this forum is only for them... wonder what type of member thats aimed at ?

It was helpful in the fact that there may be mechanical differences engine wise to get the full benefits that you would with a normal non ED engines!

Chill out, and put your keyboard down. I have seen the 330 thread, and that doesnt apply to me in the slightest. You are the one being stereotypical in this respect. The 320d is a great engine, great economy (even in non ED spec) and great performance. If i hadnt wanted the performance advantages of the 330d engine then i would have opted for a well specced 320d.

Originally Posted by BigBanana

Ahaah. Of course.
Why would anyone buy a 330d LCI and get it remapped when they could have bought a 335d ?

Quite simply because I wanted a manual rather than an Auto, else I may have considered an 335d. LCi over the pre LCi due to the newer and improved i-drive system.

[andy9188]

Originally Posted by CarAbuser

I apologise if I missed something but could you point out the part where I'm wrong?

You said remapping a 330 was a waste of money and I don't understand how? Depending on which engine you have they cannot achieve same power and the fuel savings that go along with the map. The 325 will go to 280 that's it, if you want more power than what a 325 can safely deliver then you opt for the 330

[CarAbuser]

Originally Posted by andy9188

You said remapping a 330 was a waste of money and I don't understand how? Depending on which engine you have they cannot achieve same power and the fuel savings that go along with the map. The 325 will go to 280 that's it, if you want more power than what a 325 can safely deliver then you opt for the 330

The point of my post was to highlight that the OP was infact justified in his decision purchasing the 320ED and to point out the irony of berating him about his decision to remap based on the fact that the person throwing the stones was infact stood in a glass house.

The modern 325d and 330d are exactly the same after a remap whereas the 320ED model offers advantages over the 177bhp model other than the ECU map.

[BanziBarn]

Originally Posted by andy9188

You said remapping a 330 was a waste of money and I don't understand how? Depending on which engine you have they cannot achieve same power and the fuel savings that go along with the map. The 325 will go to 280 that's it, if you want more power than what a 325 can safely deliver then you opt for the 330

The latest e90 325d has the same engine as the latest e90 330d - for that reason, if you are buying and definitely remapping, you may as well go for the 325d and save the cash (290bhp ish I believe)

But you need to check which engine you're getting as it may be better to go for a 330d if the 325d is older.