[**335i**]

thanks man for info we will wait news from you, by the way this is hard to believe sometimes you should listen other people "Don't fix something that's not broken.." i am applying this to me and to some others maybe

[munu]

I have 335i e90 and enjoying few months of pre 29.2 ride and after that my car was upgraded to 30.0.2 and we all know what it did.

Yesterday I tried the DS mode after long time and wow..the ride was exellent. There was no lag and pickup was even better then pre 29.2 software. Not sure why we don't have all the wastegate issues in DS mode.

I am thinking about driving my car in this mode till the problem is fixed. Anybody drawback with driving in DS. I think I might get low mileage. I have not seen the DS mode discussed here, is it because most people on this thread are with Manual.

Thanks

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by shaddai

I can't even get BMWNA to call me back now... and I thought I had reached an honest person...

Worst case, can't you call back and have them look up who you spoke with last, then get transferred? Most of us "long timers" on here have spoken to those fools enough times to have our own "dedicated" rep that we only call directly now.

One of them is on a really sweet diet too. (Hold up your old pants, man!)

[shaddai]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Worst case, can't you call back and have them look up who you spoke with last, then get transferred? Most of us "long timers" on here have spoken to those fools enough times to have our own "dedicated" rep that we only call directly now.

One of them is on a really sweet diet too. (Hold up your old pants, man!)

I have his direct number... one of the supervisors even.

[mistermojorizin]

shiv just posted that his car doesn't have the laggy software update any longer

[jhbodle]

Originally Posted by clivem2

It was in a positive way, something like "you're bringing you car in tomorrow to have its software updated due to turbo-lag". If he's fully aware of the issue, and I suspect he is, then he's either buying time hoping to keep me happy or he thinks the new software will at least help.

Please let us know how it goes tomorrow Clivem2, my 335i is due to be updated next Monday and I don't want my car to start suffering from the same issue everyone else is having...

[clivem2]

Originally Posted by jhbodle

Please let us know how it goes tomorrow Clivem2, my 335i is due to be updated next Monday and I don't want my car to start suffering from the same issue everyone else is having...

If you have pre-29.2 then try not to get it updated. Even if 31.1 is an improvement I'll be surprised if it's a total fix. I'll get back with my thoughts by about 4PM UK time.

Pavel - you've been quiet, have you made progress with your car or have you dumped it?

[tek818]

Originally Posted by mistermojorizin

shiv just posted that his car doesn't have the laggy software update any longer

how did switching to a msd81 dme w/ 30.2 eliminate the lag?

[mistermojorizin]

Originally Posted by tek818

how did switching to a msd81 dme w/ 30.2 eliminate the lag?

he didn't say anything about msd81/30.2. this is what he said today in the 3.1 beta thread:

NOTE: For beta testing purposes, this feature has been temporarily disabled. Since I no longer have the laggy software update in our car, I will have to develop a alternative duty cycle map on customer cars. I'll need a few more days for this.

[tek818]

Originally Posted by mistermojorizin

he didn't say anything about msd81/30.2. this is what he said today in the 3.1 beta thread:

I know from previous posts that is what he is currently running...

[clivem2]

It sounds like Shiv is saying those with MDS80 experience the biggest lag problem.

[ezatnova]

Here is his post in response to my questions of "WTF?"...

"Since getting the new MSD81 ECU, I can't honestly say that I feel any excessive lag. I've looked at wastegate duty cycle during idle, cruise and light load conditions and they are all similar to with what I saw when the car was new running the earlier progman versions. The only time I was able to quantify a noticeable loss of boost response along with a loggable reduction in duty cycle was with the most recent update to the MSD80 ECU when duty cycles at idle were in the 10-15% (instead of 40-50% range)

Shiv
__________________
"

This is mind boggoling, baffling, painful to comprehend, and confusing...all at the same time. Obviously this goes against quite a bit of feeback that we have gotten from all of you owners out there with newers cars (V81) who are right here with us, ranting about the POS progman and lag. Given that fact, I would discount what one person says about their one experience vs many with a very different experience. However, this one person also has the rare capability to log his wg duty cycle values. Very frustrating.


Have any of you guys driven identical cars (transmission wise, MT/AT), both laggy, but one V80 29.2+ and one V81 29.2+? I would love for you to expand on your thoughts and confirmations, etc, of whether they felt exactly the same to you.

[Manboy]

Originally Posted by clivem2

If you have pre-29.2 then try not to get it updated. Even if 31.1 is an improvement I'll be surprised if it's a total fix. I'll get back with my thoughts by about 4PM UK time.

Pavel - you've been quiet, have you made progress with your car or have you dumped it?

Clive,
Dumping in progress.

[shaddai]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Clive,
Dumping in progress.

That's sad. Hopefully you're not getting hosed on the deal...

[stressdoc]

Just a hunch, but it would not surprise me if the 'adaptable' (i.e., dynamically flexible) aspects of the Progman control were responsible for some of the variable lag responses that are evident.

It is possible that Progman 29.2+ has different effects in the MSD80 & 81. Perhaps by design, given the mechanical and material problems of the earliest version of the turbos that may need more "protection."

[Quisp]

I apologize to the 1 series owners. I was not trying to say you dont have lag or that it is less than mine, I was asking to findout, not to discredit. I am sorry if it was misinterpreted.

Shivs post confused me a bit. When he saiys getting the new MSD81 ECU, was it put into a previously lagging car or was this part of a whole new car?

[stressdoc]

Same car, new ECU

Go2 this thread:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178310

[slubu]

Shiv's comments do kind of echo what I've been thinking for a while. I drove my MSD81 back to back with a coworker's MSD80 pre 29.2 and I did not notice much of a lag difference. I've never driven a post 29.2 MSD80. To be honest I would not say I have full torque at 1400 rpms, but also I don't think I would ever lose to a smart car.

I would not be surprised if MSD80 pre 29.2 has a bit less lag than MSD81, but MSD80 post 29.2 has much greater lag than both. I have no idea what to make of the 135 people though. I'm starting to think it may be more of a software impact on a hardware variance.

[40yroldawakening]

I had a 135i as a loaner for 3 days, it only had 200 miles on it. I did not notice any sort of lag, it was like my car before the 29.2. I even test drove a few before getting my 335i, and don't remember any lag in the 135i's. So, is this something that they are doing when they re-program our cars or do all the 08's have this lag problem.

[Zeph]

you know, I am not sure what causes this... but my car delays when I shift like 3rd to 4th or 4th to 5th at aournd 6500 RPM's while doing WOT runs at top speed. It only drops to like 5500 or something, and I do have the "modified" CDV from RR so I don't know what causes this. I also have grandma turned ALL THE WAY OFF meaning I hold it in for 3 seconds until I get the triangle with a circle around it.

Weird, I hate shift delays...

[clivem2]

Originally Posted by slubu

Shiv's comments do kind of echo what I've been thinking for a while. .........To be honest I would not say I have full torque at 1400 rpms, but also I don't think I would ever lose to a smart car.

This is my experience too. I have lag (this is not present when the engine is cold - richer mixture or less lag?) but the car is not a total dog. Maybe the v80 and v81 DMEs make the engines respond differently during the lag-phase? In other words when NA the v81 responds better? Just trying to make some sense of all this.

[clivem2]

Failure.....

When I got to the garage they wanted to diagnose etc. They can only update if there's a problem. Had I been reading forums....... They road tested the car, said it was fine. They are now going to research the problem via their own internal forum. I asked them to get a statement from BMW as to whether 1s to 1.5s of lag at low revs in 3r / 4th gear is acceptable, especially as when the engine is cold lag is less than 0.5s.

The strange thing is that driving home the lag characteristic is now different, it's more linear, it is still there but somehow the curve has changed so it's less noticeable. I wonder if they reset the throttle adaptation. How do you do this on the E9x? I knew how to do it on my E4x.